• flying_gel@lemmy.world
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      The constitution was made to be amended to adapt with the times. Time to amend the 2nd amendment and require a valid reason such as hunting for having a firearm.

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        Valid reason 1. In order to increase the cost of wide spread authoritarian action against the people of the Unites States.

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          Americans like to say that but when fascists and authoritarians turn up the most gun obsessed Americans always love them.

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          But the 2nd amendment doesn’t increase the cost of authoritarian action. DeSantis just sent rounds of police to people’s homes for signing petitions to put abortion on the ballot in Florida.

          The 2nd amendment didn’t do jack shit to stop him from threatening people for their free speech. Because if a squad of a dozen cops lands on your front door, whether you like it or not you’re either going to be shot, detained, your guns taken away, etc. Having a gun doesn’t change that. You’re fucked, gun or not, if the state sends armed personnel to your home.

          And arguably you’re more fucked if you have a gun because of how trigger happy cops are. The moment they think you’re armed they’ll shoot you.

          • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
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            Right? You don’t need rights to take up arms against the government, and rights aren’t going to fucking help you if you try.

            • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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              The hard part is getting people to join you to take a stand. To make real change it has to be a significant portion of the population demanding change.

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            I have 100% seen for myself cops shape their response out to places around where I live because the risk is not worth it to them. They focus on serious crimes and will flat refuse to go to do bs calls that are just minor neighbors disputes.

            If DeSantis wants to put the state in marshal law he would have to convince the armed citizens of the state that that is ok, or expect violent resistance which again cops are people, and people don’t like being shot, so expect hesitation on following some orders.

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              If DeSantis wants to put the state in marshal law he would have to convince the armed citizens of the state that that is ok,

              No he doesn’t. All he has to do is send cops to people’s homes, one by one, like he just did. Nobody is going to meaningfully stand up to the police if they take people one at a time, one house at a time.

              so expect hesitation on following some orders.

              There’s no reason for there to be any more hesitation. Cops already believe themselves to be doing the most dangerous job, and they outgun you when they show up to your house. For them it’s just another day.

                • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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                  Not really. They’ve got more than enough cops to hit more than one house at a time. In Florida they have about 50k cops. If they sent 10 at a time per house, that’s 5000 homes they could invade at a time. That’s not hesitant or delayed at all.

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    These are mostly shootings that happened in the vicinity of a school. Natives attacking a schoolhouse while settlers are essentially at war with them. Targeted attacks on individuals who work at the school. The actual intent of using a school and everyone in it as random targets to be slaughtered in some act of pointless revenge or whatever doesn’t happen until much later.

    So shootings in the vicinity of schools is definitely not new, but shootings as a deliberate act of terror or screwed up revenge is definitely something that has taken off since the 1980’s.

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      That is such a lie.

      The first entry on that list is an attack by indigenous peoples. The rest are basically all what we could consider a school shooting.

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        Again, most of those are targeted attacks on individuals. E.g. student mad at X person and gets revenge.

        Much different from the columbine-like terroristic ones. E.g. killing anyone and everyone they can.

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    The UK dates back to the 1700s and has a knife problem but we don’t talk about that or ban knives

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      When the UK has fully automatic knives that can stab multiple people in microseconds then we can compare apples to apples but until then I will take a knife problem over guns in a micro heartbeat.

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      Ironically their knife control is tighter than some state’s gun control.

      But you already know why they don’t ban knife.

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        Seriously do you have to do a background check for a pairing knife grow up

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          Just posting facts boss. If that bothers you then maybe do a fact check beforehand.

          To respond though: most people typically don’t need a daily driver knife… and if they do: a pen knife or box cutter is probably sufficient. Generally speaking- the less dangerous things in immediate reach of someone having a breakdown is probably better and likely saves lives.

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            A box cutter is not allowed without a good specific reason. It has a living blade, which is not allowed at any length.

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      To be fair, if you banned knives, how would you be able to perform one of those famous british stabbings. As a tourist, visiting London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds or even Glasgow just wouldn’t be the same.

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        It’s practically a British rite of passage.

        Can you really say you’ve had the proper UK experience if you haven’t been stabbed? I myself was stabbed 17 times on my last outing to Brighton.

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      Maybe because comparing knives to guns, which is exactly what you are doing, is fucking stupid. Guns literally have the capacity to murder hundreds of people within minuets.

      You are riddled with logical fallacies. Perhaps you should get that looked at.