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    My wife said the same thing about the Bob Woodward books.

    https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Woodward-Trilogy/Bob-Woodward/9781982198916

    Do the reporting FIRST, THEN do the book tour!

    Roll back to Watergate, it was a news story FIRST, then a book.

    Or the excellent reporting by David Cay Johnston - report that shit first THEN write the book.

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/291700/perfectly-legal-by-david-cay-johnston/9781591840695

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      Woodward’s contemporary books are full of bombshell allegations that made absolutely zero tangible difference to anything at all. Yes, you get the never-before-heard juicy gossip; no, putting it in the papers didn’t matter. We all witnessed the downstream effects live as they happened.

      I have War right here. It’s a great look into the minds and personalities and motivations of the figures discussed. But at this point it frankly feels like those scientific studies that empirically confirm things that “everyone already knows.”

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      I don’t think the Washington Post of today would print an article with dirt on the president.

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    Jokes aside, Stewart acknowledged: “How fucking weird it is that the news is selling you a book about news they should have told you was news a year ago, for free.”

    “I understand the excitement over an insidious Democratic cover-up about Joe Biden’s mental decline,” he added. “The thing is though, it was a terrible cover-up, because we all fucking knew.”

    “There was no cover-up – poll after poll showed vast majorities of the public thought Biden was too old and too out of it to run again,” he continued. “Dean Phillips mounted an entire primary campaign because of it.”

    “He along with most of the public knew it was a bad idea for Biden to run. We knew it,” Stewart concluded. “And that’s what’s so hilarious about politicians. The cover-up doesn’t work when everyone knows you’re lying.”

    Literally the only reason some people think Biden was a good president, is he’s sandwiched between trump.

    So much shit that Biden did would have been completely unacceptable pre-2016.

    Like Stewart said, it wasn’t even a good coverup. Everyone could tell Biden was cooked, the admin and party just refused to admit reality exactly like trump is now.

    They pulled a weekends at Bernie’s and when called out their only defense was obvious lies.

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      This also happened to some extent with Reagan. While it wouldn’t be another 5 years after his presidency when he was officially diagnosed with Alzheimers, it was speculated there were issues during his presidency.

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    I love all the broken clock mfs in here. I’ll concede that everyone, including myself, thought he (and trump) were too old to be running because they’re both mentally declining in different ways.

    We didn’t know of any obvious major health issues with Biden. He had a shit debate and everyone suddenly acts like they knew something was wrong other than just getting old, being propped up on cold meds or whatever the official excuse was. Prostate cancer doesn’t cause these symptoms.

    That said, the big question would be whether or not it was known he had cancer and was getting treatment for it, the effects of treatment certainly would be hard on someone mentally, their mental capabilities, and physically. Hiding that shit and running him for office again would be fucked up.

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      We didn’t know of any obvious major health issues with Biden. He had a shit debate and everyone suddenly acts like they knew something was wrong other than just getting old, being propped up on cold meds or whatever the official excuse was. Prostate cancer doesn’t cause these symptoms.

      Sure, no one would have known about the prostate cancer, but plenty of people had been questioning Biden’s mental fitness since 2020, and they were called ageist by pundits. Stewart himself was accused of aiding Trump for running a segment on Biden’s strange mental gaffes just weeks before the debate. If people like Tapper had been doing their jobs instead of deferring to the administration, we would have had answers, not questions.

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        Yep, I strongly remember being called a useful idiot for wanting a better canidate than Biden after the horrid debate performance, with every time being deflected to “But did you see Trump?? Clearly Biden can stop him now!!”

        If Jon fucking Stewart was called ageist and a Russian bot because he accurately saw that Biden was not doing too well, its no wonder people called other fellow humans that too. I’m not shocked Apollo is trying to lie by omission of “We didn’t know of any obvious major health issues with Biden” besides being in the most stressful job in America and being the oldest person in that poisition.

        But instead Biden went on “full” steam ahead, only keeping to his one term promise when internal polling showing he’d lose to Trump by 400 EC votes.

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          Yeah, we technically didn’t know that he was cognitively impaired, but 80% of Americans said they thought he was too old and couldn’t handle another term. We were all listening to the guy speak and thinking, “…I’m not a doctor, but that guy seems like he’s struggling.”

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        Funny how nobody is calling Trump out on his mental fitness. Could you imagine the outrage if Biden had said and done half the shit Trump has. Such a double standard.

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          First of all, there have been dozens of articles about Trump’s mental fitness. Second, Biden’s decline was sharper and more noticeable; that’s why, even though they both sounded like rambling old men during the debate, Biden came off worse. Finally, Trump’s mental fitness is usually people’s third concern behind his authoritarianism and corruption. Anyway, now that we’ve addressed that, it would be great if you could give a shit that Democratic party insiders hid the President’s cognitive decline from the country.

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          I’m loving the responses to your comment that just say, “There’s articles.”

          Like seriously what do they think shaped the whole “ Biden is too old” narrative? It wasn’t articles. It was regular people making jokes, memes, and content that caught on.

          Meanwhile, the left was busy Googling for articles like that was gonna shift culture.

          Go figure the left treating this like a research paper. Why the fuck are we like this.

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      I mean, the whole point of “he is too old” Is because 80 it’s too old. It is wether or not anyone had secret knowledge of Biden’s decline. It was a correct assessment, and his debate was just validation of what was already known

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      Obviously being old and in mental decline is not something people have issues with. Look at your current president.

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          Maybe I’m reading it wrong and you’re saying there were plenty of people calling out his mental decline before the debate. I sure as hell was, and got called every name in the book for not supporting Joe, our shining hope on the mount, despite countless obvious examples of his senility, and the steep slide in the polls based on that.

          I’ll remove that comment and others can decide if that’s where you were going with it.

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            I’ll concede that everyone, including myself, thought he (and trump) were too old to be running because they’re both mentally declining in different ways.

            This pretty much said what you replied, even if not as vehemently.

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    Remember when we called out Biden’s health and were called useful idiots, and it was a big lie pushed for by the media?

    And now they’re selling a book based in that reality. I guess when you notice things for free that’s propaganda, but when you can sell it that’s factual media.

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      Solidarity. They shall never be allowed to forget and the should never be allowed to live down the material damage they did to this community, and that effectively, they were the useful idiots who handed the office of president to Trump, by insisting on strategies and tactics that were doomed to fail.

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          I think they have a kind of understanding.

          The understand that they are wrong, and that the consequence of their wrongness is Trumpism. However, they also understand that if they were to acknowledge that they are wrong, they would lose power.

          For people like this, its more about maintaining individual power, than it is opposing fascism. Its the same for the apologists.

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          They understand it completely, they just want to gaslit people into thinking its sane to support people who are actively hurting the ideas they swear to uphold.

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            Documenting this in case the troll tries to delete their own words.

            What a shock they’re aginast Return2Ozma being correct the entire time. .world still hates R2O for correctly calling out what would cost the Dems the election.

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          Because the DNC tipped the scales in the favor of policies that wouldn’t work against Trump, yes he lost. They did it twice. And he still supported them in the fight because he wanted Trump to lose. Bernie did more speeches for Hillary than he did for himself. Bernie still supported her, Biden, and Harris.

          And where’s Hillary and Harris? Hiding after losing to the biggest moron in the history of the US, that makes Dubya look like a grandmaster 5D chess player.

          Where’s Bernie? Doing protests, doing speeches, gathering people to stop Trump still.

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              Yes, he’s old and still fighting.

              And according to you, Bernie is unpopular because no one voted for him. He’s still going out and about.

              Harris and Clinton were unpopular, and they’re doing…?

              So is Bernie unpopular? Why is he drawing crowds and trying to fight Trump, drawing in more crowds than either of Trump’s inaugurations or any speeches? And if Harris is unpopular, why isn’t she doing the same?

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                  Right, Trump is in control of the US. Trump is actively tearing apart the government. He’s somehow busy wrecking everything and still whining on Twitter or Truth Social about how everything bad with tarrifs is Biden’s fault and everything good despite Trump is his success.

                  Bernie is still fighting despite his party not being in the majority. Bernie is still doing rallies.

                  Harris isn’t in any office, Bernie is. Clinton isn’t in any office, Bernie is. Same with AOC. Out there doing national rallies to build numbers to at least get a voice of “Let’s end Trump.” They haven’t left office.

                  Bernie is actively at least showing up to his job, and still finding time to go outside and do things. How does this invalidate my statement? Bernie is helping, Harris is doing nothing. Bernie is trying to gather people to stop Trump, Clinton isn’t doing anything.

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    Fuck Tapper and fuck Stewart. Trump can’t tell a reporter what the Declaration of Independence means, but we’re still stuck on the fact that a man who dedicated his life to public service dared to get old.

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      Why fuck Stewart exactly? He’s pointing out that Biden should have bailed out earlier, which it seems most people agree on these days, and that the “news” organizations should have broadcast the news when it was news.

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      This has to be obvious bait. He’s not upset he got old. He’s upset Biden (and anyone else in that position) was too self important/addicted/stupid to recognize when it’s time to step back and now we’re all suffering for it. Also, Hitler dedicated himself to a career of public service. Not really sure that just being a politician or federal worker in general is worthy of praise. I have a list of public servants I’d much prefer not to have ever served. Weird bootlicking behavior you got going on.

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      Nah:

      https://lemmy.world/post/17391979?scrollToComments=true

      That’s what Stewart is saying in this article, Biden’s mental difficulties wasn’t a surprise, we all knew about it.

      The problem is the people ghost riding his presidency, mainstream media, and the old DNC all just chose to close ranks, deny reality, and insist Biden was as healthy as a man half his age despite all the evidence to the contrary.

      But I remember last year

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      Like you and I are right now, amazing how they prove themselves right for every criticism and complaint. If we said any of this 4 months ago, we would have been banned and called bots.

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    What the whole Biden situation boils down to is this: At no point in history has a Presidential candidate ever been replaced as late in the campaign as the 2024 campaign was by the time people started seriously calling for Biden to step aside (i.e. after the debate.) The only close equivalent was in 1968, when Lyndon B. Johnson declined to run much earlier in the campaign, and it still resulted in a victory for Richard Nixon. Still, when confronted with a choice between fascism and not-fascism, many people (including many of the people in this very thread) decided to devote all their effort to throwing stones at the not-fascism side.

    When Biden did finally step aside, surprise surprise, it resulted in a victory for fascism. Congratulations.

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      Biden had zero chance of winning even based on the more accurate polling that his campaign had. Polling, by the way, that he ignored for literally months that could have been spent shaping Kamala’s campaign or running a primary. The polling showed over 400 electoral votes to Trump and Biden in his infinite stubbornness only subscribed to people that stroked his ego (Joe Scarborough) and refused to step down until leaders like Nancy Pelosi started threatening him.

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      Biden staying in the race would have been 400 EC votes to Trump, a bigger margin than Harris v Trump did.

      And even if Biden won, he has stage 4 prostate cancer that has metastasized to his bones, it would be a miracle even with top treatment if he lives to see the end of Trump’s current term.

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        There’s actually a somewhat brand new miracle treatment for cancer that uses individual atoms of actinium-225.

        Each cancer cell gets a single atom, and then it dies when that atom decays. And since it’s an alpha decay, the cell gins some high energy helium. That’s it.

        Well, the atomic nucleus of a helium-4 atom. Which then rips some electrons from whatever it collides with.

        And then that happens a few times to produce bismuth-209, which has a halflife of 2x10^19 years. Which means it’s perfectly safe.

        Anyway, this treatment, called targeted alpha therapy is specifically approved for Bone metastasized prostate cancer, and significantly improves survival rates vs placebo.

        It’s not that good against solid tumors

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      Biden only dropped out because it was no longer feasible for him to win. He was perfectly willing to die in office knowing he was no longer fit for the job.

      If he had made it clear he wouldn’t run at least the year before, we could have likely avoided another Trump term.