cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/45204357

Yesterday, I created my account on Lemmy.ml because I want to become mod on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml. And I posted this comic on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml It’s SDV game cutscene where Shane a NPC go watch Sports game with you kiss you accidentily but It was part of that event also player kiss Shane(NPC) back. Here’s video for more context. And someone claimed it have SA(Sexual Assualt) From Hexbear Ofcourse. So, I should delete it. I said it was a part of game cutscene. And If main player doesn’t love the Shane(NPC) then they don’t need to complete this event. And Just as a sarcasm I added Yeah we shoule delete this entire community because this game is Woke like Woke Detector Steam Group said. That user think I am some anti-woke dickhead something like that IDK. And tell me to Kill My Self. What I do now? I wanted on become mod on .ml because community was already well established. I message dessaline but I am sure he will not unbanned me. :(

Did I really did something wrong? I don’t know If I really did something wrong.

Link for that comic if embed doesn’t work.

Comic

Create one lemm.ee !stardewvalley@lemm.ee

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    8·
    16 hours ago

    Looks like a CLM situation here, but approaching PTB for how fast they ignored all context to wield the banhammer.

  • lohky@lemmy.world
    20·
    1 day ago

    I don’t usually block people because I genuinely like hearing any good faith opinions.

    That being said, I’ve blocked the entire .ml instance.

  • m-p{3}@lemmy.ca
    25·
    1 day ago

    One of the reason why our instance defederated from Hexbear. They’re not there to discuss in good faith, they’re there to incite and provoke, then they start crying if you reply back to their nonsense.

    They’re not worth interacting with.

    • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
      12·
      1 day ago

      To be fair I’ve had good discussions with a few of them, so I can’t generalise.

      But… yeah, some of them don’t quite realise that the childish behaviour that would be OK in HB is despised elsewhere, and that it’s the the major reason why their instance gets defederated so bloody often - it is not red scare, it’s “get the children back to the kindergarten so the adults can talk”.

  • thann@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    26·
    1 day ago

    Ml has become a sespool of bigots and propagandists like hexbear so you’re better off just leaving.

    I was recently banned for calling someone who was calling for the death of all Americans an idiot.

  • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
    57·
    2 days ago

    Here’s some context, in defence of the OP:

    The game in question allows you to date and marry different characters, among them Shane (represented in the comic with the purple hair). In order to do so, once the character reaches an affection level of eight hearts towards you, you need to give them a bouquet, that clearly signals that the player’s avatar has romantic interest towards that person.

    The comic represents Shane’s ten hearts event. As in: you can only reach that point if you already showed romantic interest towards Shane. And in the context, the kiss is not even sexual in nature, it’s just Shane excited with the game.

    As in, there’s no fucking way to interpret this as sexual assault.

    But of course. Slacktivists gonna witch hunt, right? They’re unable to understand context, but they’re still really eager to screech at you. And .ml moderation in special has a nasty tendency towards both slacktivism and witch hunting.

    They also don’t seem to get sarcasm well.

  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    51·
    2 days ago

    Celebrate. Move to another instance. Dbzer0, Solarpunk, Lemm.ee, .world, there are a bunch of choices. Takes some work to revive a community, but it’s very doable. .ml has trash admins and mods, and that’s unlikely to change.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        24·
        2 days ago

        Well, might try creating the Stardew Valley community on Lemm.ee then? You could do some reposting if you wanted a bit of easy activity while things wind up.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
        13·
        2 days ago

        I have a rule. I will not join ANY community on .ml

        Even if I would otherwise enjoy the content.

        I’m even a fan of Stardew Valley, and I would like to subscribe to your…oh. It’s on .ml?

        Hey, quick question. Does anyone know any decent Stardew Valley communities on Lemmy? I’d love to know if we have any Stardew Valley communities!

        Why someone could even make a brand new community, and I would join! Any Stardew Valley on any instance besides .ml and besides any that defederated from .world.

          • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
            5·
            2 days ago

            Just memes? I enjoy the game but I’d rather see content that’s actually about the game.

            • SagXD@lemm.eeOP
              9·
              2 days ago

              I was just crossposting my old post which I posted back then on .ml. You can post whatever you want no problem. I will also post patchnotes, news, guide and cool finding of mods of Stardew Valley.

          • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
            9·
            2 days ago

            Eh. The only yhing I don’t like about .word is that they defederated from the piracy instance.

            I generally don’t believe in defederation. The ONLY reason I can think of that justifies a defederation would be if there were an instance distributing csam or racist/nazi propaganda.

            I may not agree with .ml, their ideals, or their mods, but I will defend their right to exist.

            That being said, I’ll fully support the idea of any .ml community moving away from that instance as we have seen here.

            • MrKaplan@lemmy.world
              2·
              20 hours ago

              there is no defederation from “the piracy instance”. one or more communities have been removed from being accessible through lemmy.world due to piracy content, but the instance is not defederated. this means that other communities on that instance are still accessible and all users on that instance can still freely interact with lemmy.world communities and users.

            • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
              3·
              1 day ago

              Defederation has more reasons to be than just a bad (CSAM / bigot) instance. Such as two userbases at each others’ throat, without one being necessarily bad; or when you want to actively nurture a different culture or goals for a instance, without the rest of Lemmy drowning it.

              That said I agree with you that there’s little to no value on defederating .ml, as the problem there is the higher ups and not the general userbase.

            • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
              8·
              2 days ago

              I may not agree with .ml, their ideals, or their mods, but I will defend their right to exist.

              I mean, they can still exist, defederation just mean you won’t interact with them. I personally think defederation is a powerful moderation tool. Not saying it should be used lightly.

          • Blaze@feddit.orgEnglish
            7·
            2 days ago

            Is there any? I’ve always seen hexbear and grad defederated, but not ml

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
      9·
      2 days ago

      I agree, but I would take .world off that list at this point. It’s getting weird. Not necessarily time to leave yet or anything, but if you have a choice for where to set up a home, I would pick one without little developing red flags.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        2 days ago

        Don’t think I’ve seen anything from the .world admins that makes me second-guess making my home here. Not to say they’re perfect, but I don’t think I’ve seen anything that would make me think “Wow, these guys are in some way, fundamentally objectionable” rather than “These are amateurs making amateur mistakes, as one might expect from a volunteer service.”

        Some of the more established mod teams are less than stellar, though. Plenty of good mods, but certainly a fair share of mediocre or tetchy ones. my tetchy self included

        • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
          9·
          2 days ago

          I wasn’t trying to say they were bad, nothing like that. I agree, there are some great people, yourself included. I’m more thinking in terms of:

          • No VPN access, no bot API access
          • Defederated from beehaw
          • MediaBiasFactCheck and whatever the fuck strange thing is going on with that
          • Busy, overworked admins, trying to do too much

          I wasn’t trying to imply they were bad people by any means. Just raising a question about why to make them the default when there are options that don’t do those things.

          It’s a follow-on problem, I think, stemming from the combination of the volunteer nature and the scope of how much they’ve bitten off. I finished, this week, the first draft of my magnum opus essay about problems of incentives in the Lemmyverse where I talk more about this and will probably post it soon.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8·
            2 days ago

            Wasn’t the Beehaw defederation something to do with open sign-ups on .world at one point?

            Otherwise, yeah, I get that. It’ll be good for other instances to take up more of the load, both for the Fediverse as a whole and for .world in particular.

            • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
              3·
              1 day ago

              The Beehaw admins explain it.. In their own words:

              The choice to defederate from an instance can also be based on our inability to effectively moderate that instance’s users. As of now, only two of our defederations are on this basis (lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works), and we hope to eventually refederate with both of them.

              • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                5·
                2 days ago

                Well, you’re never going to capture 100% of the audience of another comm on a decentralized place like the Fediverse. If you’re interested, though, you might try reaching out to the mods of those two to discuss getting a pinned post directing to the more-active community? Or at least a mention in the sidebar.

                • Blaze@feddit.orgEnglish
                  4·
                  2 days ago

                  Well, you’re never going to capture 100% of the audience of another comm on a decentralized place like the Fediverse.

                  Indeed, but on the other hand a very common complain on threads asking about current Lemmy issues is how discussion is fragmented across several posts for the same link: https://lemmy.world/post/20926036?scrollToComments=true

                  It wouldn’t be that much if an issue if we had 100k monthly active users, but with our current userbase, we are probably too low to have multiple similar active communities to coexist.

                  There’s also the choice problem: people in that same thread also complain about not knowing where to post when there are two similar communities, and end up not posting at all.

                  If you’re interested, though, you might try reaching out to the mods of those two to discuss getting a pinned post directing to the more-active community? Or at least a mention in the sidebar.

                  The television one is unmoderated.

                  Last time I reached out to the movies community to consider maybe redirecting to ours as they were looking for new mods, they removed my comment.

                  https://lemmy.world/modlog/1291 5 months ago

            • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
              5·
              2 days ago

              I think beehaw said that accounts from .world were causing a level of moderation load that made it effectively impossible for them to provide the types of community they wanted to have.

              I get it. I don’t even know whether it is anything related to .world, or just because of you host half the users then you will also host half the trash which will look like a lot. I have noticed that when things get too big, something gets lost.

              • Blaze@feddit.orgEnglish
                4·
                2 days ago

                To be fair, Beehaw is still running on 0.18.3, even though the current Lemmy version addresses some of the issues they had.

                I’m not sure what the status is on their side. I get that they don’t like the Lemmy devs, but then Piefed could be an option, it’s probably feature equivalent to their version of Lemmy

        • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          2 days ago

          I have observed mod action and bans of users when no rules were violated on lemmy.world several times. The news and political subs might as well be on .ml as they heavily censor opposing views. I’m not talking about anything against the written rules. There’s lots of unwritten ones.

          Mods on other instances at times follow the ideas of lemmy.world, so you might get automatically banned elsewhere.

          Getting banned means all your posts and communities get deleted without a trace.

          sh.itjust.works has been good so far.

    • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
      2·
      2 days ago

      Dbzer0, Solarpunk, Lemm.ee, .world

      I mean, none of these defederate from .ml right?.I feel like people say a lot of bad stuff about .ml but nobody seems to actually defederate from them. Why is this?

    • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
      15·
      2 days ago

      After only three generations you will be considered for early release. But seriously, that instance is an irredeemable cesspool.

    • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
      8·
      1 day ago

      The reason why .ml is a crappy instance has nothing to do with communist propaganda. It’s lack of transparency and shitty moderation practices.

        • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
          9·
          1 day ago

          The OP is a great example of what I’m talking about: admin in charge moderating content of a comm about a topic that they’re clueless about, not arsing themself to check it, assuming the worst, telling OP to kill themself*, filling an opaque ban under “rule 1”. That’s all poor moderation practices, the later is lack of transparency, and the post has zero to do with communism, economy, or politics.

          This shite is a dime a dozen in .ml. And while it does affect political topics, it’s considerably wider than that.

          *whoever is in charge sets up the behaviour standard for the others.

  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
    30·
    2 days ago

    .ml is bullshit, one mod owns most of it with alts, and if you aren’t a bigot or fascist you get banned.

    leave that toilet behind.

  • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    5·
    2 days ago

    Having looked at your other post about it and the original thread, nah they were pretty in the right to take it down. What was depicted in that comic is exactly the sort of thing I’d imagine when thinking of toxic masculinity, it makes me extremely uncomfortable to think about anything like that happening in real life as it very clearly depicts a form of sexual assault. I really don’t like the idea that this is something people think should be normalised, sexual assault is more than just r*pe. It doesn’t really matter if it’s from a game, it’s an entirely valid point and that’s as far as the discussion should go.

    That said, the “makes me want to shoot you” comment wasn’t called for and they should apologise for it, even if they were trying to make some other point.

    • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
      22·
      2 days ago

      When that scene happens, the player’s avatar and Shane are already dating. He is not kissing some random person, but someone who already showed romantic interest towards him.

      And while the sprites are ambiguous, the kiss is clearly on the cheek, until the player avatar returns the gesture and makes it a French kiss. Give this a check, around 13:08.

      All this context is widely understood by players, because they looove to talk about those heart scenes. And the comic is read within this context.

      So while I agree that sexual assault is not just rape, this is simply not sexual assault by any account. There’s no violation of consent and, funnily enough, the sexualisation comes from the players’ avatar (a woman in this case, but it could be also a man - the scene plays identically in both cases), by turning it into a French kiss.

    • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
      12·
      2 days ago

      Kissing the person you’re dating is toxic masculinity now? Jesus fucking Christ. Please explain what toxic male stereotype was depicted here to make it make sense. And did they both rape each other too, since they were drinking a can of beer and thus were not able to consent? Or does that also only work for men? And yes, it completely matters if it is from a game, or any other fan fiction’s source. It’s a comic of a scene from its original source material. Context matters but people like you just want to be asocial. Just because you’re not aware of the context, does not mean it doesn’t exist.

      • GrammarPolice@lemmy.world
        7·
        2 days ago

        ml users say a bunch of dumb stuff e.g they consider the terms ‘dick sucking’ and 'dick riding ’ to be misogynistic and homophobic

      • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        2 days ago

        Look man, I’m just giving my opinion of how it looked to me, it’s fine if you disagree. But you don’t need to be a dick about it.

        I don’t know why you’d say I want to be asocial, I read the comic and it made me pretty uncomfortable, within the context of the game sure fair point, it’s fine. But not everyone is going to see it that why, so I disagreed, I’m not whatever monster you’ve decided I am.

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
      19·
      2 days ago

      Demonizing non-toxic masculinity and happy honest sexuality, by pretending that this comic depicts toxic masculinity or actual sexual assault, does favors to no one.

      I can understand that a certain type of person could look at this and see a justification for assaultive behavior. Erasing the concept that something like this could ever be a wholesome thing, making the good side out to be something that is also the bad side and has to be shunned or equated to actual SA, makes that problem worse, not better.

    • SagXD@lemm.eeOP
      16·
      2 days ago

      I agree with you that it can be SA but it’s a cutscene of game where both NPC and Player already love each other so yeah.

        • Chozo@fedia.io
          24·
          2 days ago

          It was posted to a community focused on the game, which has been out for many years. The event is well-known for those who have played the game a bunch, so the context is kind of already assumed by the intended audience. It’s not as if OP posted it to a random comics community without any explanation, it was presented to a group of people who are already familiar with the story.

        • SagXD@lemm.eeOP
          18·
          2 days ago

          Yep, I know that’s why I added context later when that user claimed that. Even provied game cutscene video. Now tell if I am wrong or not. If I added context is it still considered SA? Sorry, If I am wrong.