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    If you still think anything trump could do is political suicide, you are too naive to be writing about politics.

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    Saying that whatever Trump does is political suicide misses the biggest issue with this election-

    Nobody cares what either of them say because an awful lot of the electorate simply isn’t listening.

    The Trump voters would keep voting for Trump even if he joined the Nazi party. The rest of voters have either tuned out or are pushing Kamala simply because she’s not Trump so she must be better.
    An awful lot of people have just made up their minds and aren’t listening for anything new.

    So having a headline that Trump says something offensive is news to nobody. What would have been political suicide a decade or two ago is business as usual today. Whatever standards we once have politicians to, we no longer hold them to.

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    Saying that you could stand out in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody dead I did not affect your campaign should equally have been political suicide.

    Political suicide is dead.

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    Nothing is political suicide for Trump. He was right when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and he wouldn’t lose any supporters. His followers are a cult and the only way they would stop following him is if he somehow turned brown or black.

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    On the contrary, this is actually the strategy to win the swing voters. Some of them just need to be haters and they win bigly.

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    If this is what it takes to sink Trump’s ship then I’ll fully give up on ever making sense of anything ever again.

    Don’t get me wrong, that shit show was a national embarrassment, but it wasn’t surprising.

    Whatever. Vote, folks.

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    Unless people go out an vote, it won’t be suicide. They’re just pandering to their base. The Dems need to participate and not go on good feels a la 2016.

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        Yeah, but he’s not in power unlike 2016. Yes, we should watch for and be ready to react within the law to fake elector schemes, collaborating with hostile foreign interests, inciting coups and violence, etc but if we do, there’s fuck-all he can do about it. Trumpism dies with his political career. In the final stretch, let’s reject him with so many votes they can’t possibly claim another “stolen” election!

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          My concern is that Trump is defeated in the election, declared is stolen, and we do react within the law to fight it, but Trump is declared President by the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court anyway. Once Project 2025 starts rolling out as policy, how many of us are then willing to start reacting outside of the new law? Most Germans were not fervent supporters of the Nazi party. They just didn’t want to get in trouble with the ruling government. Are you willing to risk your life to fight the fascists? Are you willing to risk the lives of your family? Or do you learn to survive with your head down and not make waves…

          Not calling anyone out for anything, but I often have to wonder about how I would react now that it keeps getting closer to reality.

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          6 senators and 121 representatives (all Republican) objected to certifying Arizona’s results in the hours after the insurrection at the capitol on Jan 6th. He also has 6 justices on the Supreme Court who have already ruled that he’s above the law. Unfortunately he doesn’t need to be in power if he’s being propped up by those who do.

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    I’ve lost count of how many “political suicides” Trump has allegedly gone through since 2015… Yet somehow, here he still is…

    My faith in humanity has been severely diminished by the fact his candidacy keeps surviving what in a sane world would be disqualifying events/revelations.

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    That man is politically immortal. There is nothing he can do to “commit political suicide”.

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      He can lose, repeatedly. But that doesn’t really end Trumpism. It just mutates the brand into Republicans who can pitch themselves as “winners”.

      A big problem with Lincoln Project Republicanism is that it doesn’t refute the fundamental fascist tenants of Trumpism (the xenophobia, the white nationalist Christiandom, anti-Democratic sentiments). They just pitch Trump as on the wrong side of foreign policy (not hawkish enough on Russia or China).

      So we end up with Trump on one end and Ted Cruz on the other, as our range of conservative options.

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        Things have definitely changed and there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start over. The old party wasn’t great but it was at least loyal.

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          there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start ove

          There are Republicans who lost their primaries and want their seats back. But they aren’t going to throw away Reaganism to defeat Trumpism.

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            Everyone calls it Reagan, but he just did what Republicans were saying they wanted for decades already. In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically. Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.

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              In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically.

              At the heart of every Republican is a British Tory who desperately wants an American King.

              Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.

              Republicanism, even back to Lincoln, was a theory of Industrial expansion. Modern Republicans simply have nowhere else to expand into.

              Racism and religious extremism are about re-colonizing the interior a second time, with a smaller and more “pure” cohort of settlers.

              But without the large locus of dense population like the party had when it was dominant in the metropoles, that’s increasingly difficult to accomplish.

              What the GOP needs is a new Mecca (or, perhaps, a New New York). A large, population dense center of power to expand out of again. Maybe they’ve found that in Salt Lake City. Maybe they’ve found it in the increasingly right wing Texas capital of Austin. Or in Silicon Valley. Or in Tel Aviv. Maybe they’ll rediscover New York (Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo certainly suggest fascism still plays well in the Big Apple).

              But Settler Colonialism 2 is the dream.

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                That’s an interesting way to look at it. I’m not sure they need a single city though, the analogy kind of falls apart if you take it too far. But the whole restricting voting rights to white Christian men married with kids could certainly be described as a new form of colonialism. It’s essentially apartheid, and that was an outgrowth of colonialism.

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      I came to say something like “too bad this guy is a zombie, smells like one too.”

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    I think trump could go on stage, strip naked, turn around and shotgun ass blast on the front row crowd and they’d still give their lives to vote for him

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    It wasn’t the rape charges, or saying he wants to fuck his daughter, or saying immigrants are eating pets, or that people are getting abortions at 9 months, or trying to build that stupid fucking wall, or banning Muslims, or botching covid, or the insurrection, or calling on proud boys, or having meeting with Putin, or having meetings with Netanyahu, or…

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      I will continue to say, and I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else who opposes this shitstain, the fact that he was President once and is very likely to be President again speaks volumes on who the American people are and it’s not nice.

      A large chunk of you think this man is a good representation of you on the world stage. Someone who is weak, overweight, obnoxious, loud, a bully, sexist, racist, I can go on. This is who a large chunk of Americans feel best represents them.

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        Of course. I have always found it astonishing that anyone can behold DT and think he should be in charge of the country. Of course, same for Limbaugh or all the people in Fox who act like disingenuous assholes nonstop.

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        People are products of their environment.

        A majority of this country did NOT vote for him. He never won the popular vote. He only won because assholes who crafted our systems of power did so to better serve the rich.

        We are overweight because of our terrible deregulated food industry filled with garbage and our lack of walkable living spaces in most places Americans live. Hardly any place can be gotten to in the country with out a car.

        We are uneducated because the rich have shaped our education system to remove any word about the Pullman Strike… about the original meaning of red-neck… about the bombing of Tulsa… as none of those things serve capital’s interests. So many Americans are angry because members from both major parties (with a few notable exceptions) mostly serve capital, which has allowed people’s material conditions to have worsened to a point that has ripened these same poorly-educated people for demagogues offering them easy scapegoats to shift the blame for their plight.

        You can be angry, but to blame Americans for this is as if we have had much say kind of ignores what’s been happening here since at least Reagan’s time, if not longer.

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      …grab 'em by the pussy, or vets are suckers and losers, or his love letters with Kim, or his generals not being loyal like hitler’s, or shoving light up the asses of covid victims, or bleach, or TAKING A SHARPIE TO A HURRICANE MAP, or never releasing his financial records, or his fucking health records, or…

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        …saying it doesn’t cost $60000 to bury a ‘fucking Mexican’, or making multiple political spectacles at Arlington National Cemetery, or praising North Korea, or locker room talk, or…

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          … failing to pass a cognitive test, or not being able to answer what the nuclear triad is while he was a sitting president, or being impeached twice, or talking to boy scouts about sexy yacht parties, or using the US armed forces against US citizens, or…

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    If he wins I swear I’m going to post a collage of these moronic article titles claiming gg ez a week before elections.

    Feels 1:1 like 2016.

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      The headline was stupid and it doesn’t match the article. The article was not nearly as categorical, And said that the points in the speech are red meat for his base but likely to turn off undecided voters

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    The Daily Beast is essentially Fox News for democrats, and I say this as a democrat. I wouldn’t take much of what they say seriously. Especially their sensationalist headlines.

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      One would think stealing and potentially selling sensible documents or a failed coup or the countless sexual allegations are political suicides. But now a racist clown will get him?