Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich welcomed President-elect Donald Trump’s electoral victory Monday, saying that “the time has come” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.
He made the comment a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a recorded statement that he has spoken three times with Trump since the election and that they “see eye to eye on the Iranian threat.
Lol Hope all these people didnt vote for Harris based on Gaza really regret their decision now. They were warned
Please show me where Biden once stopped settlements. They massively expanded under his term. Netanyahu announced settlements in front of him (widely seen as an insult since it contradicted what he had just said to the press) and he did nothing. Obama actually tried to pressure Netanyahu and Biden is the one who undermined him on it during his administration.
Why are you blaming the victims? Biden was told for over a year that this was a problem for his voters (in addition for the prior 3 years of his term). The primary results showed him this with anll the uncommitted votes and he stubbornly refused to change his message or policy once. At what point can you finally accept he deserves blame?
There is quite literally zero evidence that Biden or Harris - who served wine from a West Bank settlement at the fucking White House - would have punished Israel in any real way for annexations.
Read the headline again and use your brain this time.
I did read it. It’s very simple: they believe it will be more politically expedient under Trump to annex the West Bank. They are correct. But I strongly believe that if they had done it under Biden, the sanctions and punjshments they could expect would have been minimal regardless. This is a man who has helped them exterminate what is likely to be 100,000 children.
OK dude, sure.
“Parts” doing so much lifting here it broke like Trump’s legs going down a tiny ramp.
Palestinians Saved ❎
Climate Action Taken ❎
Women’s reproductive freedom secured ❎
Sensible immigration reform ❎
Sense of smugness achieved ✅
It is kinda the campaign’s job to make it easier for people to vote for someone. Harris’s campaign didn’t really make it easier for anyone. On the contrary, it alienated so many people on so many grounds. But keep blaming the voters, it will work in four years for sure.
wahhh they didn’t make it easy for me.
Wahhhh my team lost
Are you describing Joe Biden’s victory in 2020?
OHHHH GOOD ONE DUDE
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What a shocker! Who could have predicted this?
So all you “But Gaza!” people…how’d that work out for you?
This may just be an observation from across the pond, but it feels like the But Gaza people were nothing but a troll farm and y’all got played.
Man, this whole situation is all kinds of fucked.
The “people” bringing it up nonstop on social media might have been state actors or trolls but there were plenty of real people who followed the movement. They’re still “But Gaza!” people regardless of how the idea that they should abstain from voting got into their head.
I voted Harris, but I was pretty fucking disgusted with Kamala’s refusal to change course on this.
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It’s mostly true. Someone was tracking those accounts and nearly all of them stopped posting entirely immediately after the election. Either very dedicated, or astroturfing.
Some of us called these people on their shit. They’re all gone now, so at least we have that.
Naah. Some of them are still around blaming Harris and democrats for tanking the election.
It’d be funny if it weren’t so… not funny.
The agitators are gone. The useful idiots remain.
The Harris campaign made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of a +6 points gain. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military.
I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
Thank you! All these people out here trying to start shit with people protesting a genocide when the Dems just had to take the easiest moral high ground known to man, opposing a genocide. And despite all numbers telling them “this will win you the election” they decided nah, cause we’d rather the Republicans win than even imagine opposing Israel.
You’re right that they really messed up here
Yell louder about how you don’t think Palestinians deserve to exist
Why are you so quick to attack the people openly protesting a genocide instead of the party that lost the election because they refused to openly protest a genocide?
Because the people openly protesting a genocide opted for the man who promised to genocide harder.. But hey, keep playing yourselves. Let me know how that works out for you.
So, the Democrats who you fully believe would continue genociding palastinians have no blame, and the people who couldn’t morally vote for a slower genocide are to blame. That’s an interesting outlook. It gives 0 agency to the Dems. 0 blame to the party who got handed a piece of paper that said “don’t support genocide or lose the election” and tried to subvert that warning by going for Republican votes.
Silly silly silly.
and the people who couldn’t morally vote for a slower genocide are to blame.
Trump campaigned on speedrunning the genocide, not slowing it down. It’s not like his intentions weren’t clear.
The last time Trump got involved in the middle east, he pissed off a whole bunch of people by moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and the only thing his son in law managed to accomplish was getting $2 billion from the Saudis which the family still won’t explain. But this is the guy you essentially endorsed by either voting for Trump or staying home? That’s like stopping yourself from shooting yourself in the foot by pointing the gun at your head instead.
Yes, Trump is terrible and obviously worse to anyone to can rationally look at the options. That doesn’t change that the Harris campaign chose to ignore the issue, chose to take those voters for granted, and failed to secure a win.
If the Harris campaign cared about Palestinian lives, or that aside, even just cared about winning the election, then why would they not change position to Conditional Aid on Israel and gain all those undecided voters? That issue alone would have secured the swing states to Harris.
Those voters were entirely up for grabs and all it would’ve taken was a single policy change and some humanity for the victims of an ongoing genocide. If the concern was AIPAC influencing the election through campaign ads, then pivoting just before voting began would’ve been the right move. If the campaign was trying to win without those voters, ignoring the grassroots momentum, then we can clearly see that was a failed strategy.
Ok, so answer this for me:
How does either actively voting for Trump, or abstaining from voting knowing it’s a de-facto vote for Trump, help to improve that situation in any way at all?
In fact, how does allowing Trump to return to power not make the situation actively worse?
And do you still feel that it was the right choice now, knowing that Israel announced that they plan to annex the west bank with Trump’s blessing?
It doesn’t? Why do you think that’s my view when I’ve already explicitly said I voted for Harris and told others to voter for her too. I’ve already said Trump is actively worse in all aspects.
Understanding the faults of the campaign in failing to motivate tens of millions of voters doesn’t change any of that. It is still ultimately the responsibility of the campaign to galvanize voters. Understanding why they failed to do that is what I’m doing
Good work Pro-Palestinian voters, you screwed your own people.
By the way, the US military will most likely gear up for a war against Iran. Yep, orders from Riyadh and Tel Aviv for another 20 year shit hitting the fan adventure doomed to fail.
The election wasn’t decided by voters who cared about Palestine, I don’t think.
No it was decided by Starlink.
Go back to your flat earth alek
That seems a little uncalled for. Just because the repugnicans gaslit is for the last four years about 2020 doesn’t mean you get to lump anyone with suspicions in with them. They got to take their evidence to court. If the results are legitimate no one has anything to lose.
now can you tell me why electronic voting machines in swing states need to be connected to Starlink? The company notoriously owned by the man who bragged about how easy it would be to hack those same machines with “one line of code.” The man who said he’d be going to jail if Trump didn’t win. The man who has just been caught faking his million dollar Republicans voter registration ‘lottery.’ Or what Trump meant the various times he claimed he didn’t need votes to win, or when he said he had an election day secret weapon? or why Elon knew the results four hours in advance? Or why MTG said on Fox two days ago the exact number of electoral votes Trump would have today?
There’s a whole lot of oddities and inconsistencies. Denying them because you don’t want to look like a conspiracy nut isn’t helpful.
now can you tell me why electronic voting machines in swing states need to be connected to Starlink?
Are they though?
I read an article at some point in the last few days that said some were, for what it’s worth. I’ll try to look for it again.
I’d be interested in seeing that, yeah
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How about good work democrats for not actively opposing the genocide? Like, why are you so quick to blame anyone but the shot callers, playmakers and plan writers? Genuinely.
Is turbo-genocide somehow better than regular old genocide?
Democrats should be allowed to do a genocide
Nobody should be genociding, that’s pretty obvious.
But would you prefer a little genocide or a big genocide?
I mean you personally, which one would you prefer?
The Democrats in power killed your family. You ask them to stop, and they look away. How do you wait in line to vote for them? It’s not about they voted for Trump instead. It’s about offering people whose vote you want, a reason to give it to you. Sorry your family died but we aren’t stopping isn’t that
I think my comment has been misinterpreted. Op said “good job” sarcastically. I too am using “good job” sarcastically. The Dems are the shot callers and play makers I am talking about. The ones deserving of blame due to their utter inability to denounce a genocide and instead promising to continue arming it.
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Holy shit!
Hang on. I can’t find my Pikachu shocked face. I must have left it at the other article where the Republicans said they lied about Project 2025.
We should start making bets about this
Take your bow protest voters… we fucking told you this would happen.
This is ALL on you.
And those protest votes told the campaign this would happen and they didn’t alter course. At what point is it the fault of the playmakers?
Protest votes knew the score. Slow genocide with Kamala, fast genocide with trump. And they put it on the line to say “either no genocide or you lose” and the Dems couldn’t say that.
Think about that. The Democrats were very clearly told via the uncommitted movement that “if you support genocide, you will lose” and the Dems could not, under literal threat of death, say they won’t support a genocide in Israel.
Like, I voted Kamala as a hopeful lesser of two evils vote. But seeing people like you come out here and throw the genocide of palastinians in the face of those who care the most about it because your party didn’t do what it knew it had to do is fucking disgusting.
Actually abhorrent. Hold the leadership accountable. Hold Kamala accountable. They ran the god damn election. They wrote the god damn plan, and never in my life have I seen an electorate communicate it’s demands so clearly and directly. They were ignored, so they ignored the Dems.
Wheres your fucking spine? Why is it so hard for you to criticize your own party, concrete people with positions in this shit making decisions rather than the vague “protest voter”
Because we voted to stop trump. That’s how it works, and that is what they failed to understand in the months leading up to the election:
Our votes were cast to stand in his way. Their decision to do nothing, let him walk right past us all.
This is on the protest voters/third party voters and there is no other way to see it.
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Cool story.
So you know, both the LGBTQ and women’s rights are going to take a HUGE hit now as a result of their smug little protest votes. Oh… and Palestine is either going to be occupied, or become a crater. Same with Ukraine- so… victory! Right? We certainly learned our lesson at the expense of a shit ton of innocent lives…
But as long as they can feel morally superior, right?
I’m not arguing this any further.
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I’m not arguing this any further.
Cool. I still had more to say. You are free to not respond.
the last 80 years has been the slow elimination and annexation of palestine
it really doesn’t matter which pro-Israeli US presidential candidate serves for the next 4
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Dear everyone who refused to vote: I hope you’re happy! Really helping out the Israel-Palestine situation right now. You did this. Look at your crime against humanity and despair.
Dear Harris: You could have singlehandedly prevented this.
I’m playing both sides, so that I always come out on top.
Sunny has taught me that everything works out if you’re a main character.
You must be one of the good americans then, bravo!
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Russia isn’t paying for this shit anymore, so you must be doing it for free. Don’t you have anything better to do?
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You should take some advice from your username. I’m literally replying to a post about Donald Trump. If you don’t want US election politics, you shouldn’t be reading this thread.
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we’re about to see something really shocking and ugly aren’t we. more so than usual I mean
No, I’ve been told a Trump victory couldn’t make anything worse for Palestine. This should just be status quo stuff here.
Indeed, because “Genocide Joe” and so on, argle bargle. The voters that sat out because of this, or worse, outright voted for donvict will have a lot to answer for. I mean, if they actually give a shit about Palestinians and didn’t really just want to be Above It All ™.
I like argle bargle. I shall use it
I mean it is the status quo. Israel’s current move will only make the “facts on the ground” official.
Yup.
AMA request: Anyone who voted for Jill Stein or Trump because Kamala wasn’t hard enough on Israel.
In theory it was mostly people not voting for Harris (or anyone). In most cases here, anyway. Supposedly.
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Honey, why is there a leopard at the door?
ITT: “How could third party voters do this? I have learned nothing.”
Genocide. He means genocide. The Democrats decided the US voters would do as they demanded, forgetting that despite being an empire, we are in fact an Empirical Republic. Meaning we still vote in our emperor. The voters didn’t care that kamala put innocent citizens in prison for marijuana use, 66+ million still voted for her. 70+ million didn’t care that trump is a traitor to the republic on multiple fronts. They are ruling over a decaying empire with barbarians running through the halls of Congress all while pretending the party will never stop. The party already stopped, they just have enough resources to keep it looking like everything is exactly as it should be. Forget that California burns down annually, forget that the south becomes a disaster area after hurricane season, forget those strangers working full time jobs that are still homeless, forget your Democratic Republic, that’s the message of both Republican’s AND Democrats. Curious to see how “Covid: Part Deux The Electric Infection pans out.”
What is it you were expecting or hoping for? Because this just reads like someone forgot to take their pills. It was always going to be Kamala or Trump. It doesn’t matter if neither one made you happy. If you thought otherwise, you didn’t think it through.
We had a really simple choice between two people. We made it. Unless you voted for Kamala, this is the outcome you allowed to happen.
Like Harris was going to stop this.
Maybe not. We knew what direction Trump would take.
Two options. We chose.
With the senate and a wide house gap, I think so. Ah dreams
harris would have been the better outcome for the palestinian people, if you knew this and chose not to vote then youre more concerned with moral grandstanding than anything else
The anti-Israel crowd are basically the MTG and Boeberts of the Democratic party. Right on down to outlandish claims about crisis actors
The anti-Israel crowd
“Harris is the better choice in this fucking awful dilemma the US electoral system gives us” is not pro-Israel. It was a pragmatic option to reduce the damage a little, to lead the US down a better road domestically, and to leave the door open to later activism to stop the genocide where there was no viable third voting option.
Please don’t conflate a Harris vote with a pro-Israel stance.
It was always going to be Kamala or Trump
This sentiment made it Trump
The lack of votes for Harris did that.
And that sentiment is why she was lacking votes. Like come on we all know how elections work and that less votes means you lose. If you don’t want to find out why you got less votes, don’t be mad when you loose again.
Oh they’re mad at this one, guess you decided to learn nothing. See you right back here again in 4 years then.
The lack of votes for Jill Stein did it.
What I said there was fact. The idea it wasn’t is wishful thinking.
Kamala was wishful…well i wouldnt call kamala a wish, no one wanted her. Anyway it was wrong to believe she could win.
Yeah, I’m starting to think there was never an opportunity to win. I’m thinking it came down to punishing the administration for the economy and none of the other arguments mattered at all.
Tons of arguments mattered, all of them against kamala. She said to hell with progressive voters and tried competing with trump to win conservative voters. From celebrity republican endorsements, calls for stricter immigration policy, following Trumps lead on proposals like cutting taxes on tipped wages for some reason. Plus all us voters who couldn’t delude ourselves into being okay with genocide.
In which case she obviously didn’t do enough to reach out to conservatives, because every single swing state went red.
It was always going to be Kamala or Trump. It doesn’t matter if neither one made you happy. If you thought otherwise, you didn’t think it through.
Wasn’t it “It was always going to be Biden or Trump” until three months ago?
It was always Trump vs Democrat. Everyone that’s not a complete moron knew that Trump was always the worst choice for Gaza’s future. Anyone that argued otherwise is worse than the morons that didn’t know.
So first it always was Biden, now other choice permitted. Then it was Harris, no other choice permitted. Now it is “Democrat”, which is a pretty broad spectrum.
And that show exactly the failure of the Harris/Biden supporters. Instead of pushing for a viable candidate that doesn’t support the genocide in Gaza, people doubled down on a center right-right pro genocide candidate. And this strategy didn’t just loose the election, it also shows the complicity of everyone who supported that campaign. Who chose a secure election loss with genocide support, over daring to bring a non genocidal candidate to the ballot.
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You wanted to toss out another candidate? Over Gaza, something 90% of America would be somewhere between ambivalent and gleeful if it burned?
Or did you want to wait until the convention, bypass the VP and flip the bird to black and/or women voters while nominating a different compromise candidate that no one actually wanted at the last minute?
Yeah, it was Biden until it wasn’t. And if he’d hadn’t stepped down the choice would’ve been him or Trump. This isn’t a fucking buffet. You vote for the Democrat or you accept the Republican.
That is just plainy wrong.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
This is from end of March.
The DNC did everything they could to demotivate and alienate their base. Everyone who cheered that on instead of demanding proper primaries didn’t just loose the elections, but also showed a moral desolace
I can’t find sentiment analysis to say how important Gaza was to voters in the election, but I strongly believe of the things that people cared about, Gaza was only significant for Arab Americans.
Plus a convention to pick a candidate would’ve only divided everyone just before the election. No better-loved candidate was going to come out of that. Only compromise that left everyone unhappy. Or most likely still Harris but with less enthusiastic support.
It’s all well and good to say people are unhappy about injustice, we are. But is anyone going to vote change their vote any the economy or domestic policy over it? Fleetingly few.
I did find an article of someone looking forward to saying told you so if Trump wins. Well, good job. They can say told you so. I’ll keep their smugness in mind when Netanyahu escalates. I’ll remind myself, this is what Arab voters wanted above all else.
If a convention to pick a candidate was so bad, why did the Republicans win with it? The Republicans had proper primaries. They won.
As for the importance of Gaza, here are some early numbers analyzed
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/11/election-harris-gaza-policy
I do appreciate the effort to source your argument. That is an opinion piece by someone who already had a strong opinion about US Israeli policy. I get people cared. I certainly get that Arabs cared. But it’s going to take some time, if we ever know, why things turned out this way.
One thing seems certain even in that article: unless there is a hotbed of Gaza sympathy in rural Pennsylvania, Gaza didn’t swing the election.
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At least you guys picked Trump instead lmao
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Disgusting to blame the people who wouldn’t vote for the party that refused to say they would stop the genocide. How about you blame Kamala Harris and the DNC for never saying they would do anything about it? At which point is it the fault of the shot callers? What you unwittingly are saying is “the Dems could of won by promising to stop genocide in Palestine and they couldn’t do it”
That says a lot more about them than it does the protest voters.
I say this as someone who voted Kamala as a conscious lesser of two evils. I cannot blame anyone who decided they couldn’t vote for a slower genocide
It’s a two party system. There was no reasonable third option. You either pick the better of the two, or you don’t pick either and live with the consequences.
True, but I cannot be more mad at the people who have a moral problem with participating in such a system than at the people who are actively leading it. Like, you are giving all agency to the voters and none to the parties who are also moveable, influenceable human beings. Why?
If you had a choice to vote for the lesser of two evils and you didn’t, how is that not morally repugnant? You have more blood on your hands in my view.
More than the people who couldn’t say they would stop sending weapons to a genocide in order to win an election? That’s a wild fucking mindset brother. Like really think about what you are saying. Holy fucking shit. You can be mad at people who didn’t vote but your #1 source of anger should be directed at the DNC for being unable to even pretend they ain’t ghouls for 5 seconds to win an election.
Absolutely disgusting to not vote Harris to stop this from happening.
Disgusting.
Morally repugnant.
You were warned. You knew what would happen.
You wouldn’t even cast a vote to save a single Palestinian life and you’re trying to claim some sort of fake moral high ground. This is on you. You are complicit in Trump’s victory and all the horrible shit that’s coming, because you knew what the stakes were and you thought it was more important to “teach the Democrats a lesson” than to lift a finger for the people of Gaza, of the West Bank, of Lebanon, of Ukraine, women, LGBTQ+ folk and basically anyone who isn’t a millionaire.
You gave them all a massive fuck you because for some insane reason you thought that letting the genocidal maniac win would teach the Democrats that you can’t win whilst arming genocide. Great logic there.
Bubby. I voted harris. But at the end of the day I cannot be more mad at millions of people for not voting when there is a few handful of people running the DNC who made the bigger mistake.
I am upset that we couldn’t harm reduction this time. But at the end of the day I am MORE upset the Dems did nothing to stop the incoming train and not only that but they are in a higher position of power and there are fewer of them. Change can be made blaming the Democrats. No change, only anger can be made by blaming random people who you don’t even know the voting status of.
Idk how you voted. What I do know is the DNC lost the election. That should be the focus. put your righteous and correct anger where it belongs. Into the DNC so they don’t lose the next one.
People and their families face oblivion one way or another, but your lack of empathy toward those who have nothing - but manage to lose more every day - shall surely keep you on the right side of history
I’m not sure you’re replying to the post I wrote, or I just don’t understand who you’re talking about.
