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People. We, the French, pulled a left-wing coalition out of our asses in less than a week and managed to “win” an election. You have months. Hope is permitted.
I don’t understand you people in this thread.
Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else.
Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing? Are you for real? They’re doing EXACTLY what people have been asking for. They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.
Fucking hell you guys, make up your fucking mind.
Sincerely,
A Canadian with severe anxiety over your next presidential election.
I’ll say just one thing:
Every single one of you assholes who wouldn’t shut up about him stepping down since the dude missed the toilet bowl fifty years ago after a particularly wild night out better sure as fuck step up now that Old Joe has stepped down.
A sitting god damned President of the United States has stepped aside less than half a year before reelection. Make no mistake: The man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision. Let’s honor that by creating a wall of votes so god. damned. thick. Riley Reid would gasp.
I know people will say this is bad, a new campaign will be rushed, etc. But I think we all know Biden was an excuse for many not to vote, or worse, to vote for Trump. Withdrawing will be his legacy when we win, not his failing.
Thank you President Biden. You are a hero.
Well guys… Have you seen Trump’s mental decline since he last ran?! How old is he now?
Surely nobody would be dumb enough to vote someone that old into office now… That is… What we have been saying? Right guys?
That’s why I’m never gonna cancel my USA subscription. Your shows always have a crazy twist right before the season finale.
Jokes aside: Not a single person who even considers voting for Trump is worth any hassle. Their vote is a coin flip on fucking acid. The dems should try to animate the lazy nonvoting pricks.
Jesus, I hope they can piece a campaign together in the few remaining months
It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.
This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.
This is the perfect opportunity to do that! But I have absolutely zero faith in them actually doing that.
But maybe I’ve become jaded in my age with politics. Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
I’m sure it will all work out when Republicans contest the new candidate… Fuck me what is this idiocy.
Are they going to force Biden to run against his will or what is the plan here? If Biden dies, are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
Bingo.
Yeah this was the point all along
Dems haven’t even officially nominated anyone yet, dont think the republicans would get very far with that stunt
Who’s going to stop them? The Supreme Court?
If you think they’re that off the rails then they don’t need this as a premise to challenge Democrats in the first place.
The thing is, it’s not the Democratic Party replacing Biden anymore. Biden has willfully stepped down, and given his support to Harris. To put it another way, Biden is no longer “being replaced”.
But, that may not matter in the long run. The question now is when/if Republicans take this to court, and whether or not the judge decides to hear the case or not and how long that will take.
As far as I know, judges have historically decided not to pursue a case if it would impede the election process (e.g., gerrymandered district ruled illegal, but still used because not enough time to redraw maps). I would like to hope that the Democratic Party gets the same curtsy in this case.
However, I feel that right now given the current political climate, and the current way judges have been deciding in favor of the Republican agenda, this may not be the case and the new candidate will be tied up in legal tape to be able to campaign properly. The Republicans will cease upon this opportunity and use it against the Democratic Party to make them look weak and unable to do anything they say they will do. And to be honest, they won’t be wrong.
Democrats are their own worst enemy, and their hubris will be to all of our detriment.
You can tell it’s a good move when the GOP starts pulling this shit.
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Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.
Her turn 2.0 watch out yall here comes Hillary! /$
Lol seriously.
Also “Her Turn” as a campaign slogan was so bad.
I think the fact that the party was willing to do this says a lot. They’ve already avoided the worst possible option, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
But this is the DNC…
Booo the DNC just made an unprecedented pivot which the people actually wanted.
Nervously optimistic, but I’ve been hurt before
It’s not going to be perfect. It’s not going to even inspire people for the next 4 years. What it will do is get us to January where we, hopefully can rightfully calibrate like we should have in 2020. No matter the winner, THIS DOES NOT END IN NOVEMEBER. Remember that.
Have you met the DNC?
Was Bidens image really that bad outside of these internet circles?
Yes.
Well Rs certainly hated his guts for totally real reasons
Yeah it was going to be impossible to properly move forward from this. There would be too much media coverage and division and lingering questions.
Now though, we have a real opportunity to unify, and make several arguments to voters – Democrats listened and picked a younger candidate. We can also flip the script on candidate age now
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Biden was going to lose to Trump and was dragging other Democrats down with him in the polls. What more did you need?
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Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it’s got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.
The UK Labour Party won a landslide election on 6 weeks notice
Smaller country, less money involved… but here’s hoping.
Edit: I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that’s still the reality of them. Regardless, we’ll have to do things faster based on circumstances.
France put together a winning left coalition in 2 weeks.
How does the US being a bigger, wealthier, country mean we are weaker? I’m so tired of these arguments about what we can’t do. If Biden dropped out 2 weeks before November it would be a disaster. As it is, he is listening to the legitimate concerns of the people.
Well, the US is literally the second-most populous electoral democracy and the third-most populous country in the world, so I say we’ll need some time.
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Hear hear!
Just FYI, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez warned people that elite donors have been wanting Harris and Biden both off the ticket.. You are free to hold skepticism about Harris’ viability as presidential nominee, but do note that it is in line with the donor class’ rhetoric.
How does AOC know what the elites want? Does she spend a lot of time having conversations with the elites about which direction they want politics to go?
She says she was in those conversations with high profile Democrats who have expressed more concerns about their donors rather than about their constituents.
I voted for President Not Trump twice, I’m very much motivated to vote for President Not Trump a third time.
Newsom is the only option with any chance of winning, but democrats aren’t even trying to win this election.
They’re clearly trying to win if they got so scared about polls they strong-armed Biden into resigning. The panic has pretty clearly set in. We’ll see if this works or not.
They’re ‘trying to win’ just like they were in 2016. We need a massive change in party leadership.
I abhor Gavin Newsome and would only vote for him to replace Trump. There are almost zero things Gavin Newsome can do that any other candidate can do better. He’s a slimy, adulterous predator who is more concerned with being remembered than doing something memorable.
Harris or Manchin.
Harris actually sounds pretty good when she’s talking politics. Her tough on crime past can give her a boost with moderates and centrists as well. She just has the weirdest mannerisms when trying to relate to people.
Manchin has obvious appeal to centrists and moderates. His biggest issue is his opposition to climate change action. But other than that he’d be considered liberal by '90s standards.
Newsom needs to go through the primary process to see if he can appeal to swing state voters. Because I’m not convinced he can win those margin votes that he needs.
Manchin? He’s basically a Republican. He just hasn’t kissed Trumps ring. Besides he’s declared himself an “independent.”
Manchin is a lot closer to a Democrat than a Republican. A LOT closer.
Manchin is running as an independent Senator in 2024. Giving him the nom would be the biggest “fuck you” to their voters.
Harris is the only logical choice. She’s not the best candidate but she can form coherent sentences and isnt surprising voters any more than Biden dropping.
Manchin might be the one candidate where I leave the box unchecked.
Just about anyone can beat Trump. Now that we don’t have a senile old man holding us back, we’ll be fine.
I don’t think you realize how much of a stink “California Governor” has in middle America.
It’s bullshit. We should all be so lucky to live in a place like California, but fox News Propaganda has been working for decades convincing disengaged voters that Cali is a hellscape.
I think Newsom would make a fantastic President, but I am not convinced he has the best chance to win.
Who cares if it’s Kamala? She’s not senile, she’s not Genocide Joe, and she’s not an unhinged fascist. She’s a shoe-in.
It’s going to be vote blue no matter who
So the same thing that’s been said to get people to vote for Biden in the first place?
If the Biden campaign was mostly running on “Not Trump,” anyone they replace him with will also not be Trump.
A lot of people just felt like it was time to trade in their Not Trump for a newer model Not Trump. Sure there were other Not Trumps we could’ve gone with a year ago, but those Not Trumps are no longer on the market. So we’re going with the best available Not Trump right now.
This Not Trump isn’t in mint condition (but none of them are), but it has much better mileage and it has more acceleration and a better top speed.
As is the case with all Not Trumps this one is a better choice than Trump. Obviously.
Yeah, of course he’s going to endorse her. Still doesn’t mean that delegates don’t decide after an open convention. If she can show the delegates she has what it takes then she earns it.
Yeah a Humphrey style convention is always a good idea. /s
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I don’t see it that way at all. This seems like a great way to increase their votes. It’s not like they are going to lose voters who were going to vote Biden to begin with.
Plus whatever strategy repubs were going to use to smear Biden is up in smoke.
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It’s never about those that were going to vote for Biden anyways. It’s always been about the undecided voters.
Right. That’s obviously the whole point.
Yeah the reality is that Biden was 95% going to lose to Trump. Picking a new person is usially a huge risk, but in this case there wasn’t much to lose.
As things stand right now, Trumps chances of winning just went down a bit. Worst case, they pick someone terrible with similar (non-)chances to Biden. Best case, they pick someone who wins.
They’ve 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Have they, though? Republicans are going to contest whomever they replace him with. This is fucking dumb. We should have dropped Biden as the candidate from the get-go. Too late, this is stupid.
You’ve posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link…
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
From the article you linked to:
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can’t find anything truthful, they’ll fabricate it with ease. “Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can’t be president.”
The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can’t use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the “ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense” narrative that will be sure to be floated.
They’ll do all that no matter what. They already did that to Kamala Harris, in the last election. I’m sure they tried really hard to dig up shit on her but had to resort to making up shit.
Basically all they fabricated was the same weak-ass birther bullshit they did to Obama (odd how it’s only non-white people they use that on, isn’t it?) which is now being spread again on Facebook as we speak.
Intentionally mispronouncing her name, which they re-hashed in the RNC convention. Her name is literally consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel, not really hard to say so they just sound like morons when they do that.
I guess they don’t like how she laughs?
They lost that election. Their base likes the racist dog-whistles, but those are votes they have no matter what. Doing the same bullshit they did before loses them independents.
Remember how a lot of Republicans voted for Nikki Haley even after she dropped out of the primary? It wasn’t a love for Nikki Haley, it was a dislike for Trump that motivated Republicans to vote for Nikki Haley in the primaries. After she dropped out. So there’s even Republicans that are open to voting for a woman with a South Asian background that the MAGAs like to intentionally mispronouncing her name.
This only indicates the GOP does not want to be running against Kamala Harris.
This is a good sign.
Boooo
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Versus ignoring the writing on the wall, doing nothing, and still crying in November?
I think that’s possible, but I think it was all but guaranteed that anyone who didn’t want the repubs to win would have been crying in November if Biden hadn’t dropped out.
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I sincerely hope I’m wrong too.
Boooooo. I’ll take my chances!
If, and that’s a big if, they choose to field a moderately likeable replacement, there’s a chance they can actually re-energize the campaign and voters and get a big boost with a fresh face. That’s a big if though.
They’ll probably pick Clinton to run again and she’ll still probably be making references to Pokémon Go to pull in the youth vote.
Big Gretch. Trump gets out of line like normal, she’ll give him a little shlap and put him in his place.
She would be my choice as well, but she just announced she wouldn’t.
Yes they can. This is the right choice. Democrats will be more energized than ever now. Hopeful they keep it open to the delegates to vote at the convention after a few people step forward.
Other countries have whole campaign seasons that are shorter. We’ve just gotten used to multi-year campaigns and never-ending reelection efforts. It wasn’t always like this, and I don’t think it’s good for us long-term.
Mike Johnson has literally already made it clear that in these circumstances he intends to CONTEST the new candidate being allowed on ballots.
We live in the fucking stupidest ass timeline.
The time for dropping Biden was before the fucking primaries and now we’re walking right the fuck into a Republican trap.
Fuck me, someone just kill me now so Trump can’t institutionally fucking murder me.
Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Democrats are fuckin morons who want to lose.
Mike Johnson is (as usual) full of shit. The DNC is still a month away and not a single state ballot deadline has passed.
That doesn’t mean they won’t tie this up in the courts I’ve a bogus legal theory that the Supreme Court will turn into a reality… Mark my words, unless Biden packs the court, this one is on Clarence Thomas’s desk stat
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Minus 5 votes, wonder why
I didn’t downvote you but it may be because the DNC hasn’t even happened yet.
How do you plan to recalibrate your BS meter after seeing how you were wrong here?
By just admitting I was wrong and that didn’t happen? Not that hard
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Biden isn’t even the nominee yet that’s one of the reasons it was important this happened before the DNC. Before the nomination this is no official presidential candidate, ol’ Mikey Poo-Bear is yaking out of his ass. Mike even said “some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions”, he’s just posturing for attention. No more threatening than a bantam rooster when you walk in his coup.
No one can “make biden run”. If he died tomorrow we are suppose to vote for a literal corpse? Boooo
Johnson is just threatening. He has no power over nominees.
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Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Other countries have pulled out elections in two weeks. The us may not have that experience though. The campaign however had been directed at his opponent’s well known incompetence and malice. That may be the advantage of divisive politics.
They have the media bomb of “no incumbent” leading the headlines. This is one of the only media maneuvers that would change the conversation from “That Trump overcame assassination and adversity!” At this point a major shift was needed.
The year and a half back log of memes against Biden that right wing contractors have saved up are now worthless. The right will have 3 months to make a cohesive media smear campaign (which they can do against the right candidate) but it will require lots of downtime as the high paid think tanks make astroturf.
The fact that Republican troll farms have to now spend time coming up with new material puts a small smile on my face.
They will move swiftly though, while the Democrats are used to being sluggish, so vigilance is in order.
Plenty of other countries’ electoral campaigns advance far faster than Americans expect theirs to move, and US media is talking about politics all the damn time. If the Dems don’t do a massive screw up somehow, I think they’ll find out that switching the candidate will be far easier than they were expecting.
I’m afraid that cancer may have already metastasized.
This seems like a non issue.
Lol… From a foreigner this is hilarious. Some of you still want to support the guy that tried disrupt the governmental process… He called the frigging election investigator FFS. You can listen to him tell her how 'her job is the most important in The country rn… and talk at length about how fraud will be found.
People that want trump want a king. Plain and simple.
That cuts both ways. The GOP also has to pivot from “Biden is too old!” to “Trump is NOT too old” in the few remaining months.
Boooo the campaign will be better than what they had in store for biden.
It’s the same campaign, still has half the ticket on it.
For all of y’all anxiety-pilled people: this is great news. Biden was stuck in negative momentum because his health issues had been exposed and were not going to stop resulting in terrible headlines, which is a problem whoever comes next is not going to have, unless the delegates are somehow stupid enough to pull another dinosaur from below the rug.
More interestingly: now that Biden has pulled out because he’s patently too old, as it was a concern for plenty of voters, this is a golden opportunity to put the focus on the other candidate whose age is a somewhat less obvious but still noticeable issue.
Oh boy, I can’t wait for armchair pundits who were calling for Joe to step down to now turn around and start to nitpick Harris as if that wasn’t going to be the obvious successor.
I’m 100% behind Harris or anyone who gets the Dem nom. Trump must be stopped.
This is still a battle for America’s soul. Are we going to accept the first female president or the first convicted felon president? I sure hope the left turns out for this one, even if they aren’t super stoked about it, because we might never recover from another Trump disaster.
This decision really raises my opinion of Biden so much. God damn do I love that man, he is truly a great person who dedicated his life to serve his country, literally. He honestly had a great term given the circumstances, and the only thing he probably should have done differently is to not run for reelection to begin with. But he seemed to genuinely believe he could win and stave off Trump. Now that that seemed impossible, he makes a very courageous decision that a lot of people probably wouldn’t have made and puts the country ahead of his ego. Lots of respect from me, and I hope this reinvigorates the democratic base and makes the future brighter for all of us.
FINALLY…
Bad for the orange one, because the other side will get the whole media attention now.
We can hope. If the media attention is “Democrats are in shambles 3 months before the election” it might not go so well. And Trump will definitely be making a lot of noise about that.
I feel like the Democrats appeared more in shambles with him refusing to drop out. The party was all over the place on their support for him and he was just being a stubborn old man. Now they’ll hopefully all be able to come together and rally behind a single candidate.
I hope the Dems will quickly rally behind a new candidate and show more of the bad side of rump in the political debate, not just Bidens age. I think this is a huge chance
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Biggest news this month
I hope the Dems know what they’re doing.
Morgan Freeman: “They do not”
Biden wasn’t doing what needed to be done to come back from the debate. This wasn’t a move out of desperation. It was out of necessity.
I hope they have a plan too.
Make the democrats mistakes less existential by introducing competition into the electoral process with Ranked Choice voting.
More political parties, more chances to beat trump, more people voting.
They do. They’re doing what the people asked.
Nobody knows what they’re doing. This is all unprecedented stuff.
Fuck.
It’s really a good move. At this point any person under 70 could mop the floor with trump, he’s still the worst possible candidate from any position, and the GOP has had zero time to poison whoever gets the nomination.
Yup. Kamala is also not a bad pick because republicans are almost certainly going to start with racism/sexism as their first attacks “Oh, she’s DEI”. Given trump has been trying to court the black/Latino vote, this will play against him.
Further, Kamala will be able to excellently push him on abortion. Biden really sucked at advocating for women’s rights even though that’s been a winner pretty much every time it’s been the focus of a campaign (there’s a reason Rs have backed away from mentioning it).
It’ll still be close and there’s still a lot of unknowns. However, I for one think this is the right move.
And now we apply the same logic to Trumps mental decline and very old age!!
Right …?? Right!?
It’s pretty hard to argue against the same reasoning that pushed Biden off the ticket. He IS too old, and clearly struggling, you put someone in their 40s and 50s across from Trump, he will look as badly as Biden did.
Well… at minimum to anybody who publicly complained about bidens age.
Now is there chance to not be a hypocrite. I hope Americans are calling it hypocrites this week. There will be many.
Dosen’t matter, if you convince people to say a old candidate who can’t speak reasonably well is absolutely a danger to the country, you aren’t unconvincing them of that now that Trump is the old confused rambler on stage.
You don’t have to convince them. You just have to ask them to behave the same way. And if they don’t. Then call them a hypocrite. To their face.
Good luck!
Yeah, fuck. I just lost $60 on a bet over this
$60 well lost for a better candidate.
He was literally doing the job and doing it well.
Some of the accomplishments:
Lowering Costs of Families’ Everyday Expenses. More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History. Making More in America. Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic. Rebuilding our infrastructure. Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans. CHIP Act
You’re not wrong, but the comparison I like here is Ruth Bader Ginsberg. She wasn’t just doing her job well, she was one of the best Supreme Court Justicies EVER.
She didn’t resign when the time was right, and as a result she died under Trump, a republican got her seat, and all the great things she did were swiftly demolished, wrecking decades of work over one single mistake: Not knowing when to step down.
Now I know the situation isn’t perfectly comparable. But if Trump gets in, then every good thing Biden has done will be swiftly undone. This was a hellish dilemma, but if Biden wants to do his job well, he needs to do that by not letting Trump into the White House again.
My mom doesn’t like when I talk about how badly RBG fucked the people she legitimately worked so hard to uplift and protect, in my opinion because of her ego. I hold very little resentment because I understand wanting to personally preserve your legacy, but that motivation seems to fail more often than allowing someone else to preserve it for you.
He wasn’t going to beat Trump. Why would you want Trump to win?
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Biden was going to lose. The next candidate may not.
I know who could beat Trump.
Booo. Biden was a rubber stamper. He never had a progressive thought in his life.
Except he was failing at the most important job - stopping another 4 years of Trump. And yes, that’s partly the media’s fault, but it’s mostly Biden’s fault. Trump’s debate performance matched what could’ve been predicted pretty closely, and Biden failed to rebut Trump effectively and often seemed to help Trump argue against himself. For example, they should’ve easily foreseen that Trump would do the weird brag about his cognitive test scores. Why was there no response to that? Why not demand that Trump produce the results instead of just brag about them, or point out that nobody asked or is impressed by his ability to read a clock? There were like 50 opportunities during that debate for Biden to end Trump’s whole campaign, he missed each one.
Clearly this was unacceptable, and I hope the next candidate dispenses with the vast majority of Biden’s election team.
IMO, as an outsider, he has done a great job.
Among many successes that have drifted across my news feeds, he has also excelled past the really low bar of “not making a mockery of the US”.That statement is not exclusive from the statement that “Biden should not run again”.
It’s 4 years later. And he would have to do another 4 years if he won.
I know presidents are more than just a person in the same way a ship can’t sail with only it’s captain. But strong leadership is going to make everything easier.
And Biden is old.
I’ll match that donation
Better then losing your country.
FUCK YES!!! Finally the stubborn old man did what we knew he needed to do all along.
Biden had zero, and I mean ZERO chance of winning. This was the only real choice.
He definitely didn’t have zero chance, nobody knows what his chances would have been. This is all uncharted waters.
Fuck yes you mean! I’m joking, I can see how this is scary and it is risky to an extent( although way less than Biden staying in imo). Here is what I would consider about this though as a positive:
I think this will at least partially reinvigorate the voting population
I don’t know this of course but personally I haven’t been excited about pretty much anything happening in politics in a while. I am actually excited and they haven’t even picked a new nominee yet. Harris would be my least popular pick but if they pick her I will be way more happy/motivated about voting. I hope this pumps some blood into voter turnout.
yeah!
Fuck
Yeah!
No one gives a fuck what that fascist loser thinks.
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Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
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Wait wait, let me guess, now all of the sudden we’re not literally fascists for thinking that it would be best if Biden stepped down. A sincere fuck you too everyone who commented accordingly for the last month.
