Green politicians from across Europe on Friday called on U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to withdraw from the race for the White House and endorse Democrat Kamala Harris instead.
“We are clear that Kamala Harris is the only candidate who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from the White House,” Green parties from countries including Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Ireland, Estonia, Belgium, Spain, Poland and Ukraine said in a statement, which was shared with POLITICO ahead of publication
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Sheesh, you’re a bit late, folks. Besides, Stein is in the race specifically for the purpose of helping Trump win, so she wouldn’t listen to them anyway.
I mean she has been running since 2012, are you saying that she has been a Trump plant this entire time?
If you are voting for Jill Stein it probably means that you have a distain for both political parties and want a candidate that’s not anointed without a primary to vet them AND you don’t want a authoritarian figure that will speed up our failing infrastructure and decline as a nation.
Trump has been running since 2016, so yeah, pretty close.
And frankly, even in 2012, her campaign has never been shy about taking help from the Republicans to spoil elections for the Democrats. Even if Stein isn’t an active collaborator with them, she is at best a useful idiot.
Too bad she’s a ruzzian shill and supports the whole of Europe being nuked by the orcs
Stein should shove off to fucking Moscow.
She won’t.
Of course she won’t. She is Putin’s puppet.
I never get tired of showing this photo.
It is ten years old so you are not exaggerating.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/jill-stein-says-nothing-happened-at-her-dinner-with-putin/ https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620 I’ll never get tired of posting this in response.
You get that nothing had to happen at the dinner, right? That’s not how networking works.
Okay, then prove that something happened. I’m not the one implying she’s some sort of Russian asset with 0 evidence beyond a photo. That’s you.
I don’t have to prove anything happened. She was put at a dinner table with Putin in Moscow. Something that only happens if Putin finds you useful. He doesn’t sit at random tables and strike up conversations with whoever he finds.
You put the rest together.
You made the assertion, so the onus is on you to prove it.
Your evidence for Jill Stein being bribed by Putin in her sitting next to a German ambassador at a table, and Putin sitting down in a seat at the other side of the table?
The Democrat misinformation campaign is in full swing here.
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F to doubt what she says
Of course she says nothing happened. It’s like a child getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar covered in crumbs, and they will insist they did nothing wrong. Never expect someone to be honest when it’s against their interests.
No one is saying anything had to happen, but she was certainly invited there there for a reason.
You don’t get put at a dinner table in Moscow with Putin unless Putin has a good reason for wanting you there.
He doesn’t just sit down with random people and hope they have a good time.
Shit, and all this time I thought he just had a passion for entertaining!
That’s basically what this person seems to be suggesting. Like she just happened to be sitting there and Putin and all of his closest people were like, “let’s go see who this lady is and what she’s up to!”
Well, sure. I’m not saying that Russians didn’t have a nefarious reason to invite her there. It’s entirely possible and maybe even likely that they did it because they saw a third party candidate as a useful tool to sow some sort of election discord in the US. But that claim would be entirely different than the claim that Jill Stein did it because she’s an asset or that this was her idea or purpose for being there. I’m disputing the latter, not the former, because her attending a gala for RT is not evidence of collusion and this was the implication being made. I can find all sorts of pictures online of Hillary Clinton and other politicians having dinners with Trump or Putin, but that doesn’t mean the photos are evidence that they were in collusion with either of them.
I like how you are completely overlooking the fact that I never made any actual claim about her being a Russian asset.
You kept bringing up the asset thing.
This is what I wrote:
The asset part was a complete invention of yours.
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Want to upvote your comment, but you’re at 69… Dilemma
It’s only a dilemma if you’re 12.
Too late. Ballots printed.
Mine was printed day of, just to be a pedantic jerk 🙂↕️
That would be against the entire purpose of her campaign.
Havent they pretty much admitted that shes running cause republicans have paid for her campaign, to try and split votes from democrats?
Too bad they just noticed she’s a stooge.
Jill Stein is funded by Russia. Every multicellular organism knows this by now.
You’d be suprised. My partner is very tuned in to politics and watches Hasan near daily, reads news, talks with me and her friends but casually mentioned she would be voting for Stein instead of Harris. I very quickly pulled up the Putin dinner party pic and a handful of articles explaining the various connections. It all totally flabbergasted her and she decided on Harris despite her, very legitimate, reservations over genocide. Realistically we’re in a very blue state that will safely go Harris so it wouldn’t matter, but I’m certain other people will still fall into the same trap.
Yup, even my friend Fred the Fungi was just yapping about this, told me to follow the money.
Yarp, and still voted for her because harris is that bad and hasnt shifted at on key issues that actually relate to the role of president. Like supporting labor (kahn, no strike busting, etc) and follwing the law with respect to weapon sales/delivery.
Focus your energy on getting harris to move, its a lot easier than getting people like me to move; we actually have moral values, harris doesnt. Though at this point its unlikely there are many hold outs waiting for her. Cast my ballot a week ago. Good luck in your efforts! Im rooting for you 🤷
At least you are not worried about all the extra people in the world that will get hurt by your reactionary stance leading to a trump presidency. If you can’t have your way, let the world burn… Gotcha.
In this case you either vote against actual fascism or risk it taking over.
If you can’t have your way, let the world burn… Gotcha.
That is literally the rationale for lots of people. I’ve heard it spoken verbatim, and heck, when I was young and stupid, I said it myself. It’ll hasten the collapse and move us more quickly toward a glorious new future!
trump isn’t winning my state; can’t do much more to help you there mate. I’m sorry harris is running such a shit campaign she’s struggling against fucking trump.
but threats need to be backed up by action or they’re toothless, just look at how netanyahu has ignored biden.
“My moral values allow me to vote against my best interests and the welfare of anyone who doesn’t align with the christofascist right. I have such a difficult time with concepts like “logical thinking” and “cause and effect” that I can rationalize such a terrible decision and even pretend that I’m the solution!”
against my best interest? my best interests are in trump not winning. which is assured in my state. its not necessarily harris winning. so my best interests are in assuring there is enough pressure on harris post election and part of that is making sure my critters know votes will be lost for them in the future for israel.
As predicted, rationalization.
Mmm yes people explaining their reasoning is so horrible. :) its almost like you cant justify shit and only have pithy lesser evil nonsense to justify your support for a shit candidate. 🤷
First step to not having lesser evil candidates: dont support genocides. Wild i know. Maybe you should try it?
Is it hard to type with Putin’s dick in your mouth?
No
no, why would it be his cock is so tiny it doesn’t obstruct my view of the screen at all. poor thing.
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I might be more tempted to believe this if I wasn’t regularly accused of the same thing by every Democrat on Lemmy.
It holds a little more weight when you’ve been photographed at a formal dinner alongside every single Russian head of state.
But these accusations don’t even make sense.
Why would Putin benefit from having a Russian plant as the presidential candidate of the Green Party? Does he mistakenly think the Green Party has some influence in American politics?
And how could he known his plant would be selected by the party as their presidential candidate? Is he psychic? Is the entire Green Party comprised of Russian plants?
If his goal was for the Greens to be a spoiler for the Dems, surely they’d be just as much of a spoiler no matter who their candidate was. In fact, without Stein, they could probably find a better candidate and be more of a spoiler.
I’m not worried about Stein being a Russian plant because it literally would make no difference to anything.
Why would Putin benefit from having a Russian plant as the presidential candidate of the Green Party? Does he mistakenly think the Green Party has some influence in American politics?
They aren’t intended to win, they’re intended to do exactly what they’re doing - selecting particular wedge issues to split the Democrat vote and give them a lower total percentage vs Republicans, the other main player. In this case the Green Party was originally set up to champion environmental issues, hence their name, but have also been a convenient shunt for the Israel/Palestine situation and Harris’ percieved refusal to budge on such.
Everyone involved knows that a third party has no realistic chance of victory in the US, so setting up a third-party honeypot to gather passionate far-left voters away from the Democrat vote is a potent power move for the Republican party. Every percent point lost by the Democrats is one gained for the Republicans, even if the point doesn’t go to them. With margins as thin as they usually are, this is significant. Putin in particular cares about this because Trump is vocally friendly towards him and Democrats and their voters are not.
And how could he known his plant would be selected by the party as their presidential candidate? Is he psychic? Is the entire Green Party comprised of Russian plants?
I can’t find proof of this with a cursory web search, but it’s suspected that the entire Green Party is primarily funded via Russian interests. If nothing else it is known factually that Jill Stein has attended at least one private dinner with Russian heads of state and has appeared on Russian state media propaganda quite a lot. I doubt the entire party is a Russian op but significant portions of its leadership including candidate Stein are pretty clearly compromised.
If his goal was for the Greens to be a spoiler for the Dems, surely they’d be just as much of a spoiler no matter who their candidate was. In fact, without Stein, they could probably find a better candidate and be more of a spoiler.
Personally I feel that Stein may just be more who they got rather than who they wanted, and this may be where the plan is starting to fall apart. A truly passionate, honest far-left firecracker candidate probably would be an excellent spoiler, and pull many honest far-left votes, but they also wouldn’t be susceptible to foreign influence. They’re choosing to take the bird in the hand, rather than two in the bush, and Stein is who they’ve got that they can control.
At the end of the day Putin has a very clear motive to help Trump win his election at all costs and the leadership of the Green Party has been shown to have been in close contact with Moscow. It may not matter materially whether or not she is a Russian plant at this time. But it does matter because it is yet another avenue for hostile foreign interference with our election.
They aren’t intended to win, they’re intended to do exactly what they’re doing - selecting particular wedge issues to split the Democrat vote and give them a lower total percentage vs Republicans
But surely that would happen even if someone else like Cornel West was the Greens leader.
All Putin achieves by (somehow) installing his plant as the Greens presidential candidate is lowering the Greens’ vote share by preventing them from getting the most charismatic and effective candidate.
If Putin really did subvert the Greens’ selection mechanism and install a less popular candidate with limited appeal, the Democrats should be thanking him.
Nothing to believe. The proof is in front of your eyes. Green Party funding is from Russian sources. Jill loves to have dinners with Putin and the oligarchs.
Haha they must be new to this, Jill Stein isn’t running for president, she is running to split the vote like they paid her to.
Of course they know that. They’re saying this to make exactly this point. While the average US voter will be entirely unaware of and oblivious to what some pinkos from cheese eating surrender monkey land say, potential green voters just might take notice.
If they haven’t already, they won’t.
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I don’t like that phrase because it was used a lot by the american right when france refused to support them in the Iraq war and by far right figures in the UK during Brexit.
Of course. The way it was used here was to make fun of exactly those people.
If I recall correctly it originally started as something said by Willie in the simpsons but then a lot of people started saying it in real life to insult people based on nationality which is kinda fucked up and was condemned as xenophobic.
How do you do, savage from the colonies?
Fun fact: if jill wasnt on the ballot harris still wouldn’t have received my vote. Harris losing votes has nothing to do with jill being there. Harris’ struggles are purely her own fault, propaganda from Russia only works if there is a edge to grab, the only reason there is an edge to grab is because harris has decided to treat arab Americans absolutely horribly this entire campaign.
Learn to focus your energy properly: on changing Harris’ mind not the voters for whom preventing a genocide is important. Trust me it’ll be easier.
Jill has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning and if you think voting for her helps the “Arabs” you are wrong. It cancels out your voice because Jill is not a viable candidate. Your vote has been effectively split.
Your choices, like it or not, are Harris or Trump. So let’s break this down since you seem to think a vote for Harris is worse than not voting.
Kamala Harris has prioritized a ceasefire in Gaza, advocating for Israel’s right to respond to Hamas attacks while emphasizing civilian protection and addressing humanitarian needs. Harris’s approach focuses on a three-part plan for Gaza’s future: reconstruction, enhanced Palestinian Authority security, and governance reforms to stabilize the area post-conflict. Harris, however, does not support an arms embargo on Israel but has backed withholding specific weapons amid Israel’s military operations in Gaza. She views a two-state solution as a path toward long-term stability, but she stresses that immediate efforts should be humanitarian and diplomatic to prevent civilian harm and prepare for a sustainable resolution.
Donald Trump, in contrast, has heavily criticized ceasefire calls as limiting Israel’s ability to eliminate Hamas, framing his support as “unconditional” for Israel’s military objectives. Trump argues that his policies would have prevented the escalation of violence, asserting that Hamas’s attack on Israel would not have occurred if he were in office. While he has expressed skepticism about a two-state solution, Trump is more focused on empowering Israel to pursue military action without restriction. Trump has also suggested that his approach would involve exerting pressure on Israeli leadership if necessary to secure what he describes as a “final resolution” to the conflict, though specifics remain vague. Trump’s campaign has used pro-Israel rhetoric to appeal to voters and has signaled a hardline stance against Hamas.
So, I am sure your voting for the lady who can’t win as opposed to the lady who can win will help the “Arabs” you seem to care so much about. Good on you for picking a hill to die on though, I hope you like it because you and your people are about to die on it.
Try not to tell me what my choices for president are, my ballot clearly listed them.
- Harris / Waltz
- Trump / Vance
- Cornel West
- Jill
- Claudia
Now fun fact: my state is 30+ dem. I can vote for whoever I chose at 0 risk of trump getting those electoral votes. And I happily exercised that this election rather than vote for a candidate with is hostile to not only labor, but apparently is quite happy enabling a genocide.
Now if I was in a different state would I behave differently? absolutely. but I’m not, many people are in the same position as i am. harris lost my vote and I had 0 compelling reasons to give her a hand based on her words and deeds. She was a bad candidate in 2020, and shes a bad candidate today. try to focus on the issues that actually matter. my critters know why I handed jill the ticket.
If you want harris to win instead of trying to wow me with your inane rambling about my voting options spend your effort on getting harris to see reason before she blows it in 3 days.
Bless your heart, you have a good day now.
next time try not to be an asshole to people pushing for good changes and respect people have different options than you. but given your response, thats probably impossible for an asshole like yourself. bless your heart.
Lol, you can’t counter bless your heart with bless your heart that’s not how it works.
Just because I told you you were wrong does not make me an asshole or disrespectful of your opinion. Jill Stien is a vote splitter, that’s the original point. No 3rd party candidate has any chance of winning in any state and a vote for one splits the vote. Your condescending response and personal attacks don’t change that.
Look, I am just happy you are voting and if you hadn’t been condescending I would have talked more with you about it. I wish I lived in a state where I could throw my vote away in a form of futile protest but I dont, and there is a lot we could continue to argue about that point, but you decided to call my thought-out rebuttal “inane rambling” and then prove my point by stating that if you didn’t live in a solidly blue state you would feel differently. So instead of engaging further, I gave you a bless your heart and walked away.
I am bored though so here I am engaged in the most noble of futile endeavors arguing with stupid on the internet…Fun fact, that’s me being an asshole.
😂 bless your heart.
Who would have recieved your vote, if only Trump and Harris were on the ballot?
Oh! Oh I’ve seen this one in another thread!
“I wouldn’t vote for either of them.”
That’s not an option in this exercise, you have to pick one or the other.
“I don’t see why I’d have to choose. I pick neither.”
Again, that wasn’t the question. Harris or Trump are the only acceptable answers. If you have to choose one, which would it be?
That’s how the exchange generally went. It shone a really nice spotlight on the ridiculous mindset at play.
We all know who they’d vote for
I’m waiting for jatone to chime in. Humans aren’t good at logic problems, especially real world ones where they don’t have to follow instructions. Ever try giving a logic puzzle to a 6 year old and they answer “well I wouldn’t do either of those things I’d buy an airplane and use a laser gun and then…”
That’s what this stuff is. While I understand the desperate need to reform the system, you don’t do that by throwing the game. I know how unlikely it is to change their minds (and they already voted) but others reading this who aren’t as bull-headed might take half a second to re-evaluate the actual outcomes available from the actions to be taken. That’s the hope anyways.
Good on you for remaining hopeful! In cases like this, though, the ignorance is willful. They know how absurd they’re acting. Once the conversation goes past the point of their ability to just be obstinate, they abruptly cease responding.
And that lack of response will be another data point for anyone reading this in the future.
Hey look! you were right! I would choose neither. false dichotomy are not interesting questions. You’ll learn nothing from them since you know, they don’t represent reality. but in such a situation where only harris and trump were on the table. harris of course. but since that isn’t the case, and my vote in no way endangers the country to trump, but does allow me to point my reps and say ‘that could be my vote for you next cycle’ which I absolutely have done. my 3rd party vote is providing more value for my reps to push back on harris when they need to. particularly in defense of ms khan and gaza.
What do you mean when you say “my vote in no way endangers the country to Trump”?
Exactly what i said. Trumpet isnt even a blip of a possibility in my state. We’re talking 0.000001%. its pretty nice here we do good work.
Harris is the greater evil in my voting scenario. Its going to be very unfortunate if she loses this week to trump because the rank and file couldn’t be bothered to pressure her over something as little as not genociding but ug here we are.
I mean she has larger issues as a candidate but explaining those is 1000x harder than ‘genocide bad mmmmkay?’ and even that message is struggling to get through because trumpet has managed to make everyone absolutely insane.
I agree with a lot of what you just said there.
Just not your conclusion.
Does your vote not count in the national “popular vote” for some reason? With a race this … Whatever this is, don’t you think you’d want to give every possible advantage to the person that CAN defeat Trump? Especially somewhere that she is likely to win, aren’t you concerned many like-minded people will make the same mistake you are/did?
That’s kinda the playbook here. Each of you individually thinks “Harris will win this in my riding, so I’m allowed to be special and vote for a third party so I can feel good about myself!”
It’s literally why everyone is asking Jill to fuck off. She won’t leach any Trump supporters from him. But she will leach people like you from Harris.
It’s just selfish.
in my state? it would have been left empty. you know thats an option right. you can say ‘none of these’.
You’re not saying “none of these”, as it will ultimately still be one of them, more accurately you’re saying: “I’ll take either equally”
Incorrect. Did you ever learn about the monty hall problem? You seem to struggle with applying priors to a situation.
In my state the prior is: trump isnt even a blip of a possibility. We’re talking 0.00001% not a blip. Not gonna happen. Harris is literally the greater evil in my state. Go through my history.
Its going to suck in a few days if harris loses because you nits thought that throwing labor, arabs and other minorities under the proverbial bus was a winning strategy.
I don’t know about all that, I just enjoy logic. I’m replying to you saying “I’d choose not to vote”, that is not the same as saying “none of the above”, it’s the same as saying “any of the above”
and you’d be wrong. shrug you’re essentially saying anyone who doesn’t vote doesn’t have an preference. which is trivially incorrect. ask felons if they have a preference. ask teenagers.
if the prior is ‘harris will win’ me not voting for her isn’t a statement of ‘either’ its a statement of ‘I don’t need to support her shittiness’ you don’t get to assert what my preferences are certainly.
So you would not vote?
Do you understand how ballots work? They have more than one position on them. Yes id pass this election if there were not a single candidate with the moral grounding to not support a genocide.
But there are two even! Makes it pretty easy. Esp since there is 0 risk of my state going trump. If only the rest of the country was as correctly grounded that harris would be the greater evil.
Get it now? Been fucking telling you dunces in every post: in my state harris is literally the greater evil choice because trump isnt even on the map when it comes to viability. Its pretty nice, and you could have it to just by withholding support for candidates who support genocide. Not supporting a genocide is kind of a prior to having empathy which, i hope i dont need to explain why, is a really good quality for a politician to have. And harris doesnt. Withholding support its key to be explicit, does not necessarily mean withholding your vote as i did. It means speaking out, as i am, engaging others. And if its safe for you to do so with holding your vote.
I’m responding to your other, much more coherent response.
European Greens must be dumb as fuck then, because the US Green party exists to:
Get
Republicans
Elected
Every
November
Maybe if your candidate were more popular than a rapist felon you wouldn’t need to worry about the Greens.
Maybe if we had an election system that wasn’t broken we wouldn’t need to worry about the Greens.
Maybe if the electoral system hadn’t been specifically designed to give extra votes to slave states from the beginning this wouldn’t be a problem.
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European Greens have always hated the US party. This may seem like politically aligned people asking a fellow traveler to stop but it’s not.
The US “Green Party” isn’t really a party or even a cohesive group of any sort. They don’t actually stand for anything other than “not the democrat”. Oh, sure they throw stuff onto a platform for the election to try to convince everyone they stand for something but mostly it’s a small fraction of former Democrats who come out of the woodwork every 4 years to obfuscate the presidential election with the net end result of taking a handful or votes that would have otherwise gone to a democratic candidate. After this election is over they will vanish again as though they were never there. This has been their modus operandi since their inception.
Eh, I would say that while there isn’t a huge amount of alignment between many of Europe’s Green parties, they all kinda hate each other for different reasons. The German and UK Greens have gone through a lot of shit over the years for their stances on Israel (way before the conflict), alongside Nuclear energy.
It’s often been a long-running joke that the main barrier for the greens in power is themselves. They’d rather attack each other over issues that don’t affect the electorate than try to mount a realistic challenge to govern.
If she didn’t her Votes wouldn’t go to Harris lol. If people don’t want to Vote Dem they aren’t going vote Dem. Harris has had all the time in the world to put effort into courting voters the same way she did Republicans. I plan on voting Third Party only for future elections. I want nothing to do with people who excuse genocide and link up with Dick Cheney.
Trump thanks you for your vote, and I hope that you are among the first groups they round up.
Ask Dick Cheney to tell Harris to changer her Border Policy and stop genocide and I’ll vote for her next time. :) I don’t care you subservient peon. I’m not standing with Dick Cheney or Liberals anymore. You don’t hate Republicans enough. You’re literally fine with right-wing policy if a (D) is doing it.
Yummy yummy boot leather. You love it. Now kissy kissy for your new god king!
There more choices on the ballot than two. Sorry not Americans are heartless dogs who jump when Dems tell them to do so. Harris closer to Policy than to Trump than any of the other choices on the Ballot. People also live in Red States you goober.
There are two viable choices.
where will you be voting at? i’d like to shake your hand
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The only traitors to this country are you subservient clowns who never stand for anything, continue to want people throw away their morals to retain comfort. I don’t give af about your approval. You lapdogs will continue to get dog walked by the GOP and you’ll support similar policy or throw any group under the bus for victory. Harris made her choices and it is her fault if she loses. I’ll do as she said on Trans health and follow the law. Get those people you called fascists a few months ago to walk you to the finish and line and clap it up like seals for the border wall you called bad a few years ago.
“I’m doing things that make it easier for the Trump regime to take power, but you’re the problem.”
Great stance.
I don’t give af about your approval.
I’m not here to offer you any approval even if you were seeking validation. In here to loudly, clearly repudiate you.
You are shortsighted and deluded and it’s important to call. that. shit. out.
Don’t care what you do, you’re a lost fucking cause. It’s anyone else who might see your nonsense get pushback and have a few more critical thinking skills and a memory longer than a fruit fly.
vapid mouth breather.
They might be a mouth typer too. The parent comment has words arranged in a way that vaguely resembles the concept of a sentence.
That’s because they’re one of those foreign agent accounts made to cause discourse
So you want someone to be “rounded up” because of how they are exercising their right to vote, but you aren’t using that same time and energy to push your candidate to change positions to get said vote? This is the embodiment of blue maga lol
Someone’s sarcasm detector is broken.
To be fair…
…to the injudicious enabler of fascists, it is pretty shitty to suggest “I hope they come for you first,” even if the point is meant to be “you helped make the bed, so I hope you’ll be on the early access list to lie in it.”
Might be a little better to say, “I hope I can stop them from rounding you up even though you didn’t vote to keep them from being able to try.”
Based on the other things they’re posting, I doubt it’s sarcasm. This person wants harm to come to people who vote third party. If not, they can reply to this clarifying otherwise or edit their original comment and I’ll happily stand corrected.
I hope that you are among the first groups they round up.
Most empathetic liberal.
Your heart is in the right place. I’m right there with you, but I voted Harris because the system doesn’t count my heart being in the right place, the two party system doesn’t acknowledge me. My vote won’t matter much anyways, since Seattle is going blue no matter what. But blowing up the popular vote to make it clear Americans don’t want trump meant more than a lost third party vote. But next time, as long as it’s not Maga on the ballot, I don’t want anything to do with big Dem.
“Why do you think I’m running? Isn’t this like telling me not to drink water to prevent hydration?” - Jill Stein probably
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It wouldn’t be this close if Harris just came out against the genocide in Gaza. Instead she has shunned Arab and Muslim voters.
I am in Pennsylvania and I am voting for Jill Stein. Everything I could have done to communicate my grievances I have tried, including meeting with my representative who just insulted me instead of even feigning humanitarian concern.
If you vote for Jill Stein, you’re voting for Trump.
I am in Pennsylvania
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These foreign discourse accounts really are putting in work. Anyone that can rub two braincells together can see through this bag faith argument.
It really wouldn’t be. Trump would be clearly winning if she did that.
It wouldn’t be this close if Harris just came out against the genocide in Gaza
It’d be worse. Do you have any idea how much damage AIPAC would do? The majority of americans are siding with Israel. She’d get called a terrorist simp before she even finished her speech. It would be an unmitigated shit show.
I wish the american public was wiser, and recognizing how evil Israel is. But that’s not the world we live in.
It wouldn’t be this close if Harris just came out against the genocide in Gaza
You’re right. If she had done that, she would be losing and it wouldn’t even be close.
Why do you think she’d gain more voters than loose by changing her stance on Israel? There are clearly people out there who support Israel otherwise it wouldn’t even be up for debate. I haven’t seen anything indicating she’d pick up more voters by changing her stance (which is still better than Trumps).
I can’t imagine the votes she’d gain for denouncing the war on Gaza would be bigger than the votes she’d lose for going against Israel.
Yeah, I only bring it up because Harris’ primary goal is to win the election. It sucks, but Israel is only one element of this election and the public isn’t in agreement with it. Harris could even want to be more aggressive on it, but can’t sacrifice the election.
At the end of the day, there are two candidates. In a fptp system, you’ve got to vote for the better of the two candidates. Not voting for Harris is enabling Trump and will only lead to a worse situation in Israel.
