Looks like someone took some shots at prez candidate Donald Trump at a rally in PA. From the videos I’ve seen, it looks like he did get grazed.
Guess some of those 2nd Ammendment guys might be “trying to do something about it” eh Donnie?
This is what you get when you preach hate 24/7. This isn’t a gameshow.
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The shooter and an audience member are dead. How Machiavellian do you think these people are that they’d kill two people for a PR stunt?
Yeah I too thought it was staged until bodies showed up. Anyone continuing to say this was staged at this point feels very Alex Jones.
I don’t think it was staged, but I also don’t think they would give a shit if other people died during a staged shooting.
I agree, but I don’t think Donny is brave enough to allow lethal ammo to stage anything.
Also true.
Honestly: do you think they have regard for people’s lives? Not that I think this is staged.
They’d surely have regard for Trump’s life, no? I mean “they” shot him in the ear. An inch closer and he’d likely be dead.
Did they shot him in the ear?
What? Are you fucking delusional? I understand brown people are not really people for you guys there, but do you realize how many people indirectly and directly “these” people have killed in Syria alone, counting only cases of being simply too lazy?
Killing two people for fucking presidency? You think it’s unrealistic?
Anyway, the answer to the question “how Machiavellian” is “fully” for everybody participating in politics, because we are still homo sapiens and our time is just as Machiavellian as Machiavelli’s time, there are no naive people there, and if there are no poisonings and assassinations left and right there, that’s for the same reason only there are no nukings left and right on the map, not because they are moral.
I understand brown people are not really people for you guys
What the fuck… ?
How am I delusional for not thinking this was staged? The moving parts required for it to be staged are an order of magnitude more complex and voluminous than it just being a lone nut with an AR-15. Unless you have some actual solid verifiable evidence that calls the boring reality of the situation into question, I’d maybe dial down the rhetoric a tad.
Not that, just that it’s improbable because of lives soent
Child border seperation policy
Also right as steam was picking up about Project 2025.
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I had to do a double take on that abbreviation
Right? USSS is the proper abbreviation for the United States Secret Service.
Same meaning at this point.
Schutzstaffel, as in protective service would probably be a better description of what they actually do I guess
Secret service better fits sg like the CIA
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Again, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just shot a random person, claimed they were the shooter and wrapped this up.
He is an abhorrently cruel person. And those that follow him are as well. None of this is outlandish enough to not be true.
I’m just sick at how much of a coup this is for the Trump campaign. That photo is going to do so much work
Unless it was a blood capsule or something the guy is too much of a pussy to pull something like this off.
You recall that he wanted to rip off his suit and display a Superman logo after beating covid, right?
Id say it’s on brand.
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Plus an image of some blood on the bleacher from a live stream that kept running:
Absolutely. False flag for sure.
Edit: /s. Half of you are way too serious.
I dunno. I saw the footage. If the guy from Home Alone 2 was acting, he’d be a lot more blatant.
Plus, wouldn’t secret service be in on it? I bet you they can’t stand the guy either.
From my understanding, his service detail are all true believers. Remember, most LEOs and the like are very right wing.
Well, that may be true. According to AP, the gunman and an attendee are dead. So… not staged.
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At least two confirmed dead:
Butler County District attorney told the Associated Press (AP) that a shooter was dead and that a rally attendee had also been killed.
Don’t stoop to that level. Assume it was real. Base your conclusions on evidence. Not conspiracies.
https://x.com/merylkornfield/status/1812263916497506711?s=46
According to a Washington Post reporter that talked with the district attorney, an audience member and the shooter are dead. Not a stunt.
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Why?
I mean it might have been, but with the modern insanity around politics and guns and violence, and the general unhinged nature of the population generally, it’s equally or more likely to be some deranged person with a gun. WHY for the love of god add to the chaos by speculating without any evidence yet? Does it help?
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My worry is that some lunatic right winger is trying to push us to civil war.
We’re already there. They just haven’t started the American Violence™ phase yet. Right now we’re in the American Saber Rattling™ phase.
i keep thinking of that too…
The bullet is totally a crisis actor, you can also see it in that one Reagan clip. /s
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Can be seen in the JFK “assassination” as well. Dude gets around. Was younger then and could do some crazy acrobatics back then though.
One of the attendees in the bleachers was hit:
https://imgur.com/a/V0SyhKENews is also saying that 2 are dead: https://news.sky.com/story/shots-fired-at-donald-trump-rally-as-former-president-rushed-off-stage-13177651
Butler County District attorney told the Associated Press (AP) that a shooter was dead and that a rally attendee had also been killed.
This doesn’t sound like it was staged.
that a shooter was dead
In other words he can’t be questioned
reap what you sow
Half the comments here are proving that people on the right aren’t the only ones who can indulge in stupid conspiracy theories.
It’s depressing as fuck.
Q-Anon level thinking that somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can’t hide stolen files properly, can’t lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.
Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It’s not like he’s even been a good actor.
Trump isn’t even the mastermind of his own bowel movements. If this was staged it was all planned by his Russian handlers.
Roger Stone would be my guess.
Edit:
I am glad Russia has no experience whatsoever with this type of operations
It’s fun to indulge in, and it doesn’t change the fact that shit is about to hit the fan, regardless of whether the shooter was someone with a legitimate desire or a paid gunman. Trump was just given and used a golden ticket to both rally republicans to vote for him, and to incite his diehard followers into another insurrection.
Sure, but I don’t think being an ironic conspiracy theorist on the levels of Q-Anon is going to make anyone seem better.
Trump was already going to do that. Trump would do it if someone sneezed on him. They already considered him a martyr. They already wanted/have an Enabling Act. The only thing this changes is a bit less blood in him, and 3 people died. Trump already had higher polling numbers.
Fascism is here. Get ready.
It won’t make anyone here seem better, I agree. But at the same time, it’s not like we’re going to have the opportunity to joke around like this after the inevitable happens.
Enjoy life while you still can, you know?
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changes is a bit less blood in him
I admit I saw a red fluid on his face.
It doesn’t take a mastermind. Dictators faking assassination attempts to garner support isn’t new.
“All right ear me big sniper guy, it’s going to be an attempted assassination, the biggest ever, you are going to shoot me close, like danger close but don’t worry I’m the best president, really I’m the best and you are the best sniper, the best sniper in the whole country. So you shoot me near the ear, near enough that blood comes out, I know scary stuff, but we are tough guys, the toughest so you do it and I resist and together we make the best attempted staged assassination ever”
- Shamelessly stolen from a blog
Yeah there are some real idiots in this thread. Very depressing
It’s representative of the current state of this country honestly.
I’d imagine that there are a lot of rather confused individuals in a number of countries, and when tempers run high around politics…shrugs
I don’t know if the US would be particularly bad. Would need to have some kind of way to quantify that.
A “false flag assassination attempt” is not as hard to rig if you know it won’t be properly investigated.
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Your gullibility making you believe a conspiracy theory over your own eyes.
Neoliberals are pro-trump, plan 2025 calls for going after people with student loans
On this topic as a whole, it’s also proving people on the left are in favor of gun violence…
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Not like it really needs proving. When Marx writes about “revolution,” he means bloody, violent revolution.
Anyone advocating revolution needs guns to back it up or else they’re just full of hot air.
Elections were meant to be bloodless revolutions. Unfortunately with First Past The Post voting, the right options were not available to vote for. But we can change how we vote. We can make peaceful revolution possible with a more representative electoral system.
Antifascists have a long history of shooting Natzi.
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Not every time at all. Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet were not defeated via guns.
And how! I love the irony tho.
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Care to clarify? I can’t make sense of your comment.
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Ah, got it. You just misinterpreted my comment.
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You:
You are putting that conspiracy theory on the same level as any Qanon theory
This is false. Here’s what I said, “people on the right aren’t the only ones”
Like I said, you misinterpreted.
That’s blue maga for ya.
“blue maga” implies that there is a cult of personality around Biden like there is around Trump. That is simple not what anyone opposed to Trump believes in or rallies around.
Funny, because people used that term to describe the “vote blue no matter who” people well before Biden was ever a serious contender in the primaries…
You mean the primarys for this election that Biden is the sitting president? Or primarys four years ago when he was the guy pushed immediately to the top before the primarys?
Four years ago. This isn’t a new term of phrase.
So… When he was the top runner before the primarys.
What are you trying to say?
BlUe MaGa!!1!
Based on what? Neither of you know who they support or which way they lean.
But why would you even think that people on the left are different from people on the right? This is why I’m not into politics myself. Because it all builds on some fake idea that one side is right about everything, even good people, while the other is wrong about everything, and probably are bad people as well.
In reality, both sides are very similar and have much more incommon with eachother than they have with the politicians they are trying to support.
My understanding is that on average there are differences in psychology between conservative and progressive people. For example, conservative people tend to be okay with unfairness, since from their point of view society is a hierarchy and of course the people at the top are better off.
Anyway, given that conservative and progressive people have a different vision of an ideal society and also different ideas about how to get there, it is reasonable to expect them at act differently. We know that most politically motivated violence is from the right.
I’m sure conservatives have the same views on the other side, something negative, based in fear. If you think about it, all of politics is fear of change in a direction we don’t want, but others do.
In a family when this happens, family members talk about it and try to understand eachother. At least in a good family. In a dysfunctional one, family members go to war with eachother. And that’s what I see in politics. There is no feeling of being humans on a ball together at all.
I was thinking the same thing
How do you know their political leanings?
What’s worse is that the MAGA crowd has Trump and some other figures intentionally playing conspiracies up and adding weight to them. The guys on the left don’t even have the excuse of Biden and company bullshitting.
Braindead comment.
Just quid pro quo.
Mr Trump could be seen ducking for cover behind the lectern.
I like attempted assassination victims that don’t duck for cover.
It’ll take more than that to stop a Bull Moose!
I say we elect that one guy behind him who barely reacts at all
Honestly, they’re all so dead inside up there that I’m amazed any of them even flinched.
I wonder how much we’re going to hear about the poor person who got shot in the head right behind him, or if they’re just incidental margin notes in history, overshadowed by the big WWE media theater that is Trump. Reports are saying at least two crowd members have died.
edit: the family of the victim has given an update that Trump hasn’t even attempted to reach out to them. And also, the guy was an avid nutcase, nazi and racist. The world won’t be worse-off, we can sleep easy.
Oh Trump will absolutely bring them up at every single rally to froth up the crowd. Because he may be the martyr they care about the most, but the martyrs who actually died will be great ammunition (I can’t think of a more appropriate word, sorry) to rile up the crowd.
That is assuming there is another rally, and today’s incident wasn’t just the catalyst for a Jan 6 sequel. Knowing his supporters, I’m not holding my breath, unfortunately.
Considering the number of people here claiming this was Trump staging a false flag, I am absolutely certain there are a similarly large number of people on the right saying this was Biden trying to assassinate Trump and something must be done. So I hope not.
Thats fine, isn’t Biden permitted to assassinate people while in office with immunity?
Unfortunately, the number is likely going to be a lot higher.
I’m pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy. For us Lemmings, there’s no emotional stake in these events, whereas his supporters will be angered over anyone even attempting to kill their fascist idol…
I’m pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy.
I’m not sure of that at all, especially when emotions are running high.
I’m not absolutely discounting the possibility they they somehow found some schlub to die in a fake assassination attempt, but I’m also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there’s been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.
I’m also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there’s been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.
Respect for that. It’s a reasonable and rational response to today’s series of events, despite the temptations of role-playing as a conspiracy theorist to escape from having to think about the hypothetical consequences of said events.
Republicans have blamed Joe Biden for the attempted assassination tonight, accusing the president of whipping up opposition to Donald Trump.
JD Vance, who is one of the frontrunners to be Trump’s running mate, said: “Today is not just some isolated incident. The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs.”
“That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination,” he added.
Mike Collins, a Republican congressman from Georgia, said: “The Republican District Attorney in Butler County, PA, should immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.”
He also tweeted that Mr Biden “sent the orders”.
Prosecuting the president for stochastic terrorism? That’s a precedent they really don’t want to set with Trump as their candidate.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
They won’t. The Supreme Court already determined that.
All I’m hearing is that they think Biden told the truth and used the power the Heritage Foundation SCOTUS explicitly gave him, and now they’re inexplicably butthurt about it.
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Fascists love their “martyrs for the cause”.
They chose to go to a rally to support a man who wants to be a “dictator on day one” they made their choice.
Wasn’t one an eight year old?
I think you’re thinking of a school shooting.
I just hope they were crucial to Project 2025
Well things are about to get a whole lot worse. That raised fist is going to be printed on all the right-wing crazy stuff and they will use this to justify violence against anyone opposing Trump.
Jan 6 is going to look like pleasant stroll compared to what’s coming after this…
It was going to happen anyways eventually
End stage capitalism any% WR exploit TAS
With the supreme court ruling regarding official acts we have already reached the point where democracy is on its last breaths.
This is the time for escalation that people can’t ignore in favor of bickering over if the non fascist is old.
Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.
He has a alibi, he’s in Delaware. But as long as it was an official act, he could order it.
He wouldn’t do it himself. He would order Seal Team 6 to do t. They wouldn’t have missed, though.
Nah, this was obviously Hunter Biden in a Gritty Suit. The gunman who got massacred by the cops was just a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald
A Libertarian friend from Florida joking suggested Hunter Biden. I think it was Melania.
I suppose we need even more guns.
After giving due remarks, could Biden sign an executive order for sweeping gun control and name it after Trump and present this incident as the impetus?
No the executive can’t create laws.
Genius.
Disarming the resistance right before a fascist takeover is not the genius move you think it is.
Democrats_IRL
If he was wearing armor made of guns he wouldn’t be bleeding.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Somebody could shoot Trump on 5th Avenue and nobody important would care.
Would absolutely not care about Trump. Would absolutely care about the incensed conservative mob with minimal brain cells, rage and guns starting shit
Their rage is mostly impotent. When push comes to shove, I think the vast majority of them will stay home and continue posting on Truth Social.
Did you miss the whole Jan 6th thing?
That was the best they had from all around the country. Mostly thieves and vandals, stealing a laptop and a podium, smearing shit on the walls. Very few actually prepared for violence. If shit went down nationwide, those few violent ones would not be together in one place, so they’d pose far less of a threat.
that’s not what i took from j6…
One lady gets shot and they break like Lee at Gettysburg.
Unless there is someone to direct that rage, they’ll have no idea what to do with it, or where to direct it.
There will always be people that direct that rage, Trump is a cult leader but he’s not the only influencer
trump is a fortuitous puppet. he ran for president in the past too, but he didn’t win because the times weren’t right for it.
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I would not put this beyond him.
I think it would be. Not morally, just i don’t think he’s competent enough.
Some? They anyone with a functional brain that has been paying attention. Nothing the dude has ever done has been honest.
That’s called a false flag attack. I could believe it, but I could also believe it was a sincere attack.
Being serious about it for a moment, it’s extremely unlikely that it’s a false flag attack. It’s fun to joke about the idea, but the reality is that it doesn’t appear to be staged, and he’s far too much of a coward to agree to have somebody shoot at him.
Besides that, there’s plenty of politically-unaffiliated groups or individuals who would probably want him gone just for how his last term contributed to the abortion bans, reunification of church and state (in some states), government corruption, etc.
there’s also plenty of fence sitters and centrists who I sincerely believe would vote for him on tough guy vibes alone, despite him being a coward
Would he be told about this plan? It’d certainly be more convincing if he didn’t know, and was set up by the RNC.
No one needs to actually shoot at him, he can just have a capsule of fake blood in his hand and smear it on himself at the right moment. It’s so easy even he can do it.
Could also have been a real shooter.
Hes fully too much of a coward to be shot at.
But you’re assuming he was shot at. Ducked, hidden away from camera, then blood on him.
No one is ducking a bullet
From the article:
Trump stood up and held his fist in the air with what appeared to be blood dripping down his face.
Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.
An excellent PR stunt and call to action for his violent insurrectionist supporters, if you ask me.
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Right after meeting with Orban who just met with Putin? I don’t know if I really think that, but I would say it’s possible.
So? This happens in Schools all the time?
You raise a good point. I am far, far less heartbroken by this than Sandy Hook and Uvalde. Republicans made this all possible.
Well this is gonna raise his chances of winning by a large amount
People keep repeating this, but without convincing justification.
All I see is, people who were already energized to solidly vote trump, are now really really solidly already going to really vote for him now. I just don’t see how this will get someone to vote trump, who was either going to vote dem or not vote.
People just say things.
Christ. Now I’m envisioning his future campaign speeches. “They try to shoot me down, I am an immortal.”
immoral
we’ll never hear the end of it.
We will hear it for another 10 years when he finally has his hamburger heart attack.
Campaign? Doesn’t really need to even campaign anymore after this. Maybe he will mention it at a state of the confedarcy talk or something. These are such shitty times.
Immortan.
Immotan-gelo.
Sweet, shoot again
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It’s not clear at all that that’s what happened. It is completely plausible that someone would shoot a firearm at a candidate in a hotly contested presidential election. Let wait for evidence to roll in yeah?
You know for a fact that if the shoe were on the other foot, this is exactly the rhetoric we’d be hearing.
So let’s not do what they do and live in an evidence-based world and not an emotion-based one.
The “facts don’t care about your feelings” party doesn’t care about facts and spends a lot of time on how their feelings are hurt.
You’re right. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. But I still hold all parties to a standard of honest discourse.
Yes it would be the case. Should we start behaving like right wing conspiracy theorists now?
Doesn’t make it right or acceptable.
Yeah but that’s because Republicans are fuckin idiots
I wouldn’t be surprised either way, honestly. It would be the right timing for a false flag though for sure.
But then on the other hand this is the prescribed treatment for tyrants, per our fore-bearers.
You’re doing what they do.
Yes. You are correct. On reflection I should have put quotes around it as it was intented to convey that but not actually imply that it was the case. It is good you called it out.
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This fucking shooter could set behind democracy in the US for dozens of years. Land the shots and you martyr him, miss and you galvanize his support. Seriously the conservatives were starting to shift away from the far right after Epstein documents and Project 2025. Now deep state wackos will NEVER go away and resort to crazier armed shit. Seeing people comment that the shooter ‘was so close’ is insane and makes them no better than political extremists.
There’s also a ton of very religious rhetoric being used about Trump now. He’s literally becoming the Messiah and a true religious hero fighting whatever evil is out there. God is saving him from bullets and what not. There’s going to be some interesting sermons in evangelical churches around the country these next few weeks. Yikes.
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Canadian here.
Your chance to save democracy comes at the ballot box, not by shooting candidates.
Have “more shots” in the voting booth with Ranked Choice voting. First Past The Post voting artificially limits our magazine size to two shots. We deserve the right to have a standard or even high capacity magazine.
More chances to stop the Republicans. More chances Republicans would pick a more moderate candidate. More representation. More freedom.
Biden testing his Presidential Immunity.
Just a little off the top
Gotta start somewhere.
Just a warning shot
Official Act™
This is what wins him the election.
I like candidates that don’t get shot at for being pieces of shit.
Won’t matter at this point. Even if it turns out to be faked. It won’t matter. His base is that fucking stupid. The idea has been planted and it doesn’t even have to be true.
This just got him elected.
There’s a lot of time, a lot can happen, but this just justified a lot of the nonsense narratives the right wing has been trying to push.
I really hope you’re wrong, but it certainly helps him.
I’ve never hoped to be wrong more I don’t think, but I fear now that the Cletus brigade is going to go on a fucking rampage.
Innocent lives are gong to be lost over this.
a lot can happen
OK someone quick shoot at and near-miss Biden as well so the martyrdom evens out!!11
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As much as I hate to admit this, it wasn’t a fake shooting. The ‘acting’ was way too good to be faked. The mid-word ‘stung in the ear’ confusion slowly followed by the realization of what happened and the clumsy collapse to the ground are just too believable to think it wasn’t real. That said, whether it was a false flag or not is another story.
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That image was after I heard security yell “shooter’s down”
Edit: They also yelled “clear we’re clear”.
Yup.
This is what wins him the
electioninsurrection.FTFY. He called on his rabid supporters to “fight.” I think we all know what that means.
Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.
Yep. Many innocent people will die because of this.
I’m more worried about the nutzos trying to “defend trump”.
Oh and First Past the Post voting artificially limiting our options putting us into this situation.
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